Bad news. Virginia Tech shooting will strengthen gun control

[Karbinator]

Governor Kaine's statement this afternoon:

"Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine said he wasn't interested in arguments about
gun control.

"People who want to take this within 24 hours of the event and make it
their political hobby horse to ride, I've got nothing but loathing for
them," Kaine said at a Tuesday evening news conference.

"To those who want to try to make this into some little crusade, I
say: Take that elsewhere. Let this community deal with grieving
individuals and be sensitive to those needs.""

[PvtJoker]

We should be so lucky as to have this backlash on the Antis; that their calls for more gun control and bans be met with an overwhelming response that the "gun free zones" played no small part in enabling this lunatic in committing his crime. The fact is, he did NOT use what they want to ban in the renewed AWB anyway, so it wouldn't have made a bit of difference even if it had worked the way they promoted it.

In the meantime, there are a LOT of families who suffered at this action, and while we do need to not let the Antis push this without our making a stand for ourselves, we really should also have some respect for the victims of this criminal.

[Demontrooper]

Naw guys, we are going to be ok! Karb's find is truly the final nail in the guncontrol casket, but also you may notice that the media has DRASTICALLY altered their focus from guns to the real problem; the f'd up killer and the schools failure to react accordingly.

I think that the trash politicians in Washington realized that the NRA is pretty goddam huge, and they definately do not want to f up any chance the Dems have of putting one of their own in the presidency.

But we are fine. I think that the guy who sold the guns (legally) to the kid has been spared as well.

I do not know if this has hit national news (hope it won't), but over here in Rochester, NY. where I live, a student at Rochester Institute of Technology was discovered building two AR-15's in his room in the RIT Inn and Conference Center (it is off campus).


http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ ... -apnewyork

Hope the kid will be ok. The fed's have arraigned him on ALOT of serious bull (cheifly transporting firearms across state lines). But with a good lawyer he should get off scot free.

But we are ok, guys, on this damned tragedy......

[Intruder196]

I do not know if this has hit national news (hope it won't), but over here in Rochester, NY. where I live, a student at Rochester Institute of Technology was discovered building two AR-15's in his room in the RIT Inn and Conference Center (it is off campus).


http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ ... -apnewyork

Hope the kid will be ok. The fed's have arraigned him on ALOT of serious bull (cheifly transporting firearms across state lines). But with a good lawyer he should get off scot free.

Some things dont add up in this story.

Like "The weapons were described by police as a Stag-15 rifle and a Romanian made AR-15 rifle."

I didnt know the Romanians made an AR15.

And ""He did indicate that he has federal firearms licenses in New Jersey and that he properly purchased these weapons," said Monroe County Sheriff Patrick O'Flynn. "However, crossing the state line and possessing them in New York State is a violation of the law." "

I thought FFL holders could cross state lines with firearms? Is this some new ATF ruling? Or just a NY state law?

[Roscoeturner]

As we all know, New York has a tendency to make up the rules as they go.

[Demontrooper]

Yes, that is true. Of course the media makes errors due to there ignorance and their "I could give a damn" attitude toward getting things correct about guns. I am surprised they did not say that the kid was building machine guns.

And Intruder, I thought the same thing about the FFL, and that is why I think the kid will be fine. Plus, he might be able to prove that he assembled the weapons in-state anyways, and get off on that.

Up here, there was a story about a gentleman (in Ohio I think) who was found with drugs and guns in his house. One of the weapons was an MG42 mounted on an AA. The reporter said that the gun could destroy the entire neighborhood . I doubt that quad mounted .50's could destroy the size of the neighborhood he lived in; and despite the media's overreaction; props to the intimidating look of the MG42 .

[gdmoore28]

This article was forwarded to me by a friend today:





'Only in America'? Gunning Down a Claim



By Steve Stanek : 20 Apr 2007



In response to the horrible mass shooting at Virginia Tech on Monday, overseas leaders as well as many Americans have condemned the "gun culture" of the United States. Perhaps these overseas leaders and American citizens would be less hard on our country if we discuss what has been happening in other countries.


Major news outlets reported on April 18 about the shooting deaths of at least 19 gang members in Rio de Janeiro by rival gangs and police. These shootouts occurred despite Brazil's strict gun control laws.


Also in Wednesday's newspapers are reports about Tuesday's shooting death of the mayor of Nagasaki, Japan. Japan has some of the strictest anti-gun laws in the industrialized world.


In Scotland authorities are enacting knife control policies because violent crime has continued to climb (with knives as a weapon of choice) in the wake of the nation's gun bans. Should Americans speak contemptuously of Scotland's "blade and booze" culture?


Last November in Emsdetten, Germany, a teenager shot and wounded more than a dozen persons before killing himself. In 2002 in a school in Erfurt, Germany, a gunman killed 17 people and himself.


Five years ago I did research for an article on mass shootings. Here are a few of the headlines I came across:


"8 slain at council meeting"


"Teen wounds 5 in tech school"


"Suspected gang shooting leaves 4 dead, 2 injured"


"Man kills ex-bosses, principal, himself"


"Gunman kills self, 7 others"


The incidents these headlines describe occurred in France, the Netherlands, Japan, Germany and Italy, respectively. In the five years since that research, crime rates have continued to climb in many other countries with far stricter gun control laws than those in the United States.


In 1996 in Port Arthur, Australia, a crazed man shot and killed more than 30 people. After learning of the mass shooting at Virginia Tech, Australian Prime Minister John Howard told reporters this about his nation's response to the Port Arthur horror: "We took action to limit the availability of guns and we showed a national resolve that the gun culture that is such a negative in the United States would never become a negative in our country."


Prime Minister Howard neglected to say anything about the "culture" in Australia that prompted a man to commit a mass shooting. He also neglected to mention Australian government figures that show five years after the Port Arthur-inspired gun crackdowns, homicides had climbed 3.2 percent, assaults had gone up 8.6 percent, and, astoundingly, armed robberies had soared 45 percent. Crime rates remain high in Australia despite the confiscation of hundreds of thousands of firearms, and gun bans.


On September 28, 2001, in peaceful Switzerland, a man shot and killed 14 people, including 11 members of a local canton council.


In the 2002 presidential election in France, many political observers cited soaring crime as the Number 1 issue. Nationwide strikes by thousands of France's police officers a few months before the election heightened the issue. The strikes came in response to what police said are growing dangers from gun-wielding criminals. They had strong evidence to cite, including the recent shooting deaths of two police officers during an armed robbery in a Paris suburb.


I've heard people say "only in America" in the aftermath of the Virginia Tech shootings. Clearly, though, it's not only in America. Terrible incidents like these have occurred and are occurring in countries across the world, including countries that severely restrict or ban the private ownership of firearms, and countries with a reputation of peace and harmony.


Steve Stanek is a freelance writer and editor in McHenry, Ill., and research fellow at The Heartland Institute in Chicago.





GeeDeeEmm

[bolex]

I do not know if this has hit national news (hope it won't), but over here in Rochester, NY. where I live, a student at Rochester Institute of Technology was discovered building two AR-15's in his room in the RIT Inn and Conference Center (it is off campus).


http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ ... -apnewyork

Hope the kid will be ok. The fed's have arraigned him on ALOT of serious bull (cheifly transporting firearms across state lines). But with a good lawyer he should get off scot free.

Some things dont add up in this story.

Like "The weapons were described by police as a Stag-15 rifle and a Romanian made AR-15 rifle."

I didnt know the Romanians made an AR15.

And ""He did indicate that he has federal firearms licenses in New Jersey and that he properly purchased these weapons," said Monroe County Sheriff Patrick O'Flynn. "However, crossing the state line and possessing them in New York State is a violation of the law." "

I thought FFL holders could cross state lines with firearms? Is this some new ATF ruling? Or just a NY state law?

The federal law is that anyone can transport (or buy) long arms between contiguous states. Pistols I believe are another matter. The last time I checked NY and NJ share a border, so this must be a state law.

[Demontrooper]

Thanks Bolex; that means I can go shopping at the next Knob Creek!