Bad news. Virginia Tech shooting will strengthen gun control

[smoggle]

Just on the news, the Shooting at Virginia Tech. will allow the dems to push severe gun control policies through both houses without much problem. Be sure to contact your legislators and tell them NOT to support any of these measures.

How come during the Republican run congress there were no shootings? now with the dems in there have been a number of them.

Our rights are about to be taken.

[Cpt_Kirks]

Dems are bad luck.

If this loon had an AK, we are in for it. It sounds like he had a handgun, right now.

[Demontrooper]

Oh God, when I saw the coverage on the news this morning, I thought "We're screwed." The only thing that can save us is if the shooters are Islamic or something (like that kid in Texas with the SUV a few years back).

Damn damn damn.....

[Pirate]

The problem is not the lack of shootings prior to this it is the lack of media coverage of them. the media coverage of the current ones helps publicize thier agenda for the need for more gun control.

[TOM R]

The problem is not the lack of shootings prior to this it is the lack of media coverage of them. the media coverage of the current ones helps publicize thier agenda for the need for more gun control.

I agree media seems to be run by bunnie hugger gun haters

[salt6]

I have to wonder why the casualties were so high.

Did these people not try to defend themselves? Did they just cower in the corner and wait for the police to come and save them?

This, I believe show not the problem with guns but the problem with this society. We are seeing a good example of people who no longer feel free to defend themselves. When did we give up this feeling. When the the government takes care of people from cradle to grave, I guess people feel no need to provide anything for themselves. Even the defense of their own lives.

[IMBLITZVT]

For those that do not know I am a grad of VT (2004). I lived in the building across from AJ and had classes in Norris on that floor as I am an Engineer. The VT on the end of I M Blitz is VT for Virginia Tech.

I also know that NO guns were allowed on VT campus. This is control at its extreme and you can see what happened. You take 25,000 UNarmed people and group them together and they make nice targets.

VT is a great school and it will never be the same. My prayers go out to the people at VT and hope that bastard is already burning in Hell.

Matt

[Demontrooper]

The (about) 19 year old gunman was armed with 2 pistols and multiple magazines. He entered, chained the doors shut, shot the professor in the head, then shot at the the students, who had (conveniently) hit the deck and stayed there. I agree Salt; what the hell happened to survivalism?

What the hell were people doing as this guy was reloading his pistols? He killed 32 people, and wounded over 25; he must have reloaded like five times at the least! Even with 17 round magazines....

We have turned into a country of sheeple. hmmm..... maybe now they will arm university police with tazers.......

Yeah, over here in my college at Geneseo we going to be having some kind of "support meetings" about this tragedy, or some kind of liberal (Try a different word.)... and I think that they are mandatory.... but I have to finilize the purchase of an MP44.....

[Intruder196]

Did these people not try to defend themselves? Did they just cower in the corner and wait for the police to come and save them?

Kind of reminds me of Hurricane Katrina. Rather than heed the warnings, all those democrat constituents sat and waited for the government to do something. Some even said they refused to leave N.O. because they were concerned their govt check wouldnt find them wherever they sought shelter at.

We have democrats in congress that want to pretend there is no war on terror, "if we just make nice and show them we mean no harm they will leave us alone". That way of thinking didnt seem to help these defensless students.

(sarcasm on) Should we arm teachers and train them to use firearms? Why no way! Instead lets post a sign that prohibits guns on campus! Yeah, that will keep everyone safe! (sarcasm off)

[DARIVS ARCHITECTVS]

If guns were notso stigmatized and they were allowed to carry handguns, that murdering (insert F-inheimer here) would be lying dead at the feet of one of the carrying faculty.

[smoggle]

We have been raising a country of sheep instead of sheep dogs. The wolves are out there. The sheep will just cower and stand still in the face of danger. Society has raised them this way in the last 20-30 years. That is why only 3 of the 4 planes on September 11th hit their mark. The last plane had people with a will to live. They knew what the outcome was going to be and they decided to take their chances with fate.

We are constantly told 'Don't aggrevate them. Don't be confrontational. Ignore them and they will go away.' Wrong. There need to be people who look out for themselves and others. They are the sheep dogs, there to protect when needed. Granted your ears would be ringing bad after the first shot in the classroom, but I will be DAMNED if I am going to wait for a bullet. My kids came home after the Amish school shooting in Pa. and said the teachers told them they should block the doors and hide. I told them NO get the he!! out of the building. Climb through a window or run out the door. Run and get away. They are only 7 and 9 but they understood. The 7 year old is my avatar. They will not be raised to be subjects. They will be citizens. They already know gun saftey and shoot well for their age. They are not afraid of guns and have a deep respect for them.

The hippies that took over after Vietnam have been pushing this passive society. Go with the flow BS. This is what a dictatorship wants.

No gun laws would prevent this. There have been laws against murder since this country was founded. Guess what, they still happen. The citizens of D.C. are once again allowed to protect themselves. Ever wonder why the cities with the strictest gun laws have the highest murder rates??? I don't. Criminals do not care what a law says. I bet if Virginia Tech had those cute little 'no guns allowed' signs on the doors he would have turned around and walked away. They are only there for liability AFTER somebody shoots the heck out of the place. 'Well we had a policy of no guns allowed. We did everything we could to prevent this so, you can't sue us.' Is what the families of the dead will hear. Why they didn't lockdown the campus 2 hours earlier when he shot the first two will be their undoing. They are going to get raked over the coals, as they should.

Rant off.

By the way the wolf, sheep dog and sheep analogy is not mine. It is one I read and it was very good. I wish I could find it again.

[Demontrooper]

Damned straight smoggle.....

Now what the hell is going to happen to us legislatively?

The SOB shooter was a South Korean senior on a student visa. He was armed with a 9mm Glock and a .22 pistol. He apprently had the receipt for the glock in his backpack, and had also ground the serial numbers off the guns (or they were ground off when purchased??).

What does this mean for us? He was a non-resident. He was allowed to purchase a firearm (or he stole it, or he got it illegally hopefully....). Maybe legislators will attack immigrant weapons policies.....

I was too young to remember what "our" legislators did after Columbine..... Not much I think since those kids got their guns illegally....

We'll see how this goes; right now the media is doing it's typical "grip-the-nation-in-fear-and-make-alot-of-money-too" thing.... so I guess we can wait for the facts to come out.

Hey! At least Congress is still on vacation until Thursday!

[gdmoore28]

Be sure to contact your legislators and tell them NOT to support any of these measures.

I hate to sound like a broken record, but Smoggle has stated the only means we have at our disposal to head off the inevitable push to disarm us all -- so WE can be the victims next time some devilish creature decides to take our his personal demons on everybody else.

But you can be sure that not 1% of gun owners will write to their representatives. They pay no attention to us because they never hear from us. Sad.

GeeDeeEmm

[Intruder196]

I was too young to remember what "our" legislators did after Columbine..... Not much I think since those kids got their guns illegally....

Not much of anything. The Clinton AWB was only 5 yrs old. So they didnt make too much hay about "why didnt the AWB prevent this". One gun was a straw purchase. One of the shooters had his girfriend buy the shotgun since he wasnt old enough. The other gun was bought from a friend who knew it wasnt legal to sell a handgun to a minor. I think he plead guilty and did some time for that.
But none of this kept the drive-by media from tossing out the buzz word "gunshow loophole".

IIRC a few days after Columbine Clinton started blathering about a new bill that would put "tagants" in gunpowder that would allow it to be traced from manufacturer to dealer to end user. It went nowhere because it was obvious that "tagants" would not have saved any of the Columbine victims.

This liberal idea that posting a "Gun Free Zone" or "Concealed Firearms Prohibited" sign will make it safer on the premisis only garrantee one thing: Nobody will be shooting back.

[Kleist]

This is the key to it all.

"They are not afraid of guns and have a deep respect for them."

I was about 8 when my dad took me shooting. I knew where the key to the gun cabnet was at all times.

[jbc98k]

Not that this is the most important part of the tragic shooting, but is has struck a nerve with me. Take a look at what the British, French, Aussies, and so on are saying about this. I have been on other international firearm forums where the folks not from the USA have pointed at us saying look at how bad America has gotten, to many firearms that are easy to obtain. Once again what they think really does not matter but for some damn reason it does aggrevate me.

[vik]

One only needs to look at Quebec, a place with just about the most strict gun control laws anywhere, which are very similar to Australia, earlier this year when that foreign (to them) student went into his college and did the exact same thing....gun control works wonders for our brothers up north we should definately follow their lead.

[gdmoore28]

This is the text of the emails that I sent to my representatives in DC concerning the deluge of gun control laws that are certain to be introduced soon. Feel free to use it as a guide to write your own representatives:

Dear Sen. ------------,

Like the entire nation, I am sickened, angered, and aggrieved by the vicious massacre at Virginia Technical on Monday. The depths of depravity and sadism that such an event reveals should cause us all to exercise every means at our disposal to prevent future devastation.

The congress will now surely rush to do something – anything – to address such wanton violence, and their standby response is always more gun control. The problem with such knee-jerk responses, though, is that (1) criminals don’t obey laws, and (2) honest people do. And it is the latter truth that left those poor thirty-two victims at Virginia Tech totally unarmed and unable to defend themselves against the gunman.

I urge you to resist the pressure to enact further gun restrictions. The founding fathers recognized the essential truth that evil exists in the world, and the only way to confront evil is with equal or greater force. Laws will not stop mass murderers, but an armed citizen certainly can. The police and the law cannot protect us, but in The United States of America we have a God-given, inalienable right to protect ourselves and our families by bearing arms.

Please continue to support our Second Amendment rights by vigorously opposing any of the flood of gun-control measures that are sure to be introduced in the House and Senate.

Sincerely,


I urge everybody to act NOW in order to get the jump on the gun-control lobby.



GeeDeeEmm

[longhorn109]

You wont believe this but the BBC actually had a pro gun guy they interviewed about this tragedy. He was a member of the Second amendment society or something similar and he said the students should have had firearms, the interviewers reaction was priceless But he had a good point if the other students could have legally carried a pistol then this would have been much less of a massacre. The other good point he made was that tools (the guns) of this incident are not the problem because when a person is intent on killing then they will find the means to do it. An SUV across a crowded playground would do the trick just as well.

The problem you now have is that gun owners will be seen as bad guys. That's what happened over here and they took most of our guns away. You are now in the difficult position of defending your gun rights while the otherside is sticking crying parents infront of any camera in view. That is a powerful image and you dismiss it at your peril. You ,as gun owners, need to get your message accross in equally powerful images- the family saved from the burgaler, the girl not raped because she was armed etc.

Write to you politicians giving your views on any laws they want to introduce. Remember politics is a big popularity contest and politicians want to be where the votes are. Don't let the NRA negotiate your weapons away form a new group going if they are of no use. But don't dilute your resources by forming hundreds of ineffective groups. If it shoots you represent it ,be it an MG42 or air pistol. Classic car clubs are good at this if you want to see how not to do it.

Don't rely on others to do your complaining for you. One or two campainers will look like a couple of gun nuts but millions of letters to your senitors will make them take notice. They are there to serve you NOT (however much they think) the other way.

[Roscoeturner]

Take a look at this article, there is not a paragraph that does not have an error or flat out lie in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1 ... 86,00.html

This quote was trully humorous - "There, buying a machine gun is often easier than getting a driver's license." Must be some tough states out there when it comes to driver licenses.