I guess these are accesories

[Bil]

You can use them with your rifles,pistols,or others!

[Bil]

more

[gdmoore28]

Bil,

Here's some complimentary photos of interest:

[Bil]

My compliments to you!

[Demontrooper]

Ha ha ha; The Hells Angels have NOTHING on these guys!

Great pics!

[2receivers]

Those are some kick butt accessories-------and I want one

[Bil]

You can get Chinese or Russian look-alikes fairly cheaply.They look close enough to use for re-enacting,or just to ride around town.I was working on a Russian version last week,they are ok if you replace the carbs with something more reliable.A friend has it,and we are looking into making a mount for the MG on the sidecar.You can still get them for under 2000 if you look around.Lots of fun. ---bil

[Karbinator]

Like this one ?? You can still make out the MG mount on the front of one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... :middle:us

[Bil]

Exactly!! Thanks,Karb The older ones can still be had for a lot less,they haven't improved much,and to call them a bmw is stretching things quite a bit.But the real thing is very expensive,and you would not want to use it for re-enacting. ---bil

[762x51]

Hi Guys,

I thought I'd add my 2 cents worth regarding this subject because I'm in the process of rebuilding one of the DNEPR Russian (well actually Ukrainian) bikes. There are 2 makers of these, DNEPR and URAL but only URAL is in business now. Be cautious buying one of the bikes from State Motor or DNEPRWORLD because most of what they have now are used bikes that have had some paint slapped on them. Look real nice but scratch the surface and it's a old bike.

I bought my DNEPR MB650M (an ex-military bike) for $1,500 and right now I have about another $1,000 in parts in the bike and will probably have closer to $1,500 in parts, paint, etc. when finished - but I'll have a nice bike. Sad thing is, is that you can buy one of the bikes from State Motor or DNEPRWORLD for $4,000 and still end up putting another $1,000 - $1,500 in it for repairs.

Bottom line - Just be careful and really know what you're getting if you buy from one of these guys.

I do like the DNEPR over the URAL though (the URAL can be bought new for $10,000 and it's a very nice bike) because you can get the DNEPR with full time sidecar wheel drive. What you want to look for is a Model MT16 (civilian) or MB650M (military). URAL also has a driven sidecar drive but it's a part-time drive that can only be engaged in snow, sand, or mud because there is no differential in their drive unit.

Here is a photo of mine as-found (boy the previous owner sure did like red stars!!) and I'd show you a current photo but all you'd see would be a pile of parts - - I'm taking the frame to have it media blasted today to prep it for painting this weekend. It's being rebuilt to look like one of the German WWII bikes in Afrikakorps (Luftwaffe) colors and markings.

Regards,
Orin

[Bil]

This is the type I was working on,yours looks like it is in a little better shape.The other one was black.I was told the same things as you said about the diferant makes.That looks like a fun project,keep us posted as you go along.Thanks. ---bil

[maxposner]

I had 2 Dnepr"s in the early 80's, while the cool factor was over the top, the reliabily of the machine was wanting. Reading the Ebay description, it was apparent that they did not say what kind of ignition they had. My Dnepr''s had a linen and shellac wrapped coil that had the issues with spark, the fix was to use one of the Honda 750 coils. The carbs were replaced with Bing's, and with careful adjustment and careful monitoring, I was able to burn through several sets of pistons. In retrospect, leaded fuel probably would have prevented this. There was a fellow that decided to ride across Canada and Europe, into Africa on his Dnepr, and rebuilt he engine twice before leaving Canada, and replaced it with a BMW engine in Deutschland, that held up untill Egypt, where he had the trans rebuilt, including making gears. I never rode either of mine more than 50 mile from home, and made a promise to myself that I would only own motorcycles, and not curios with wheels. On the other hand, after I sold the last Dnepr, I was able to buy a '43 R75, and that was a MOTORCYCLE! But, alas, someone wanted it more than I did, in 84 they were $8,000. I currently ride a BMW k1200lt, but have looked long and hard at the URAL as the next machine, even for re-enactors, the Ural Gear Up doesn't need much help, and it will always start on show day.

[Bil]

Yes,I certainly wouldn't recomend getting one for transportation,and certainly not leaving it stock,I think there are parts made of wood inside! But with a little work,they can be used for re-enacting,and if you get one from someone that is tired of trying to use it daily,they can be quite cheap and fun. ---bil

[BLASTER]

I've looked into these awhile back. Here is the URAL website:
http://www.imz-ural.com/

And here are some movie files:
http://www.imz-ural.com/downloads/movies.htm


Thanks for the insight of you fellas that have or had them. It all looks flashy and affordable in the sales materials! But I wondered about the mechanical stability.

Steven

[maxposner]

Just rereading the posts and I didn't realize that the Dnepr had a differental, mine were not 2 wheel drive. A close friend and I were at the local Ural dealer and the comment was that you could barely turn a Gear Up with the 2 wheel engaged. This warrants a second look at the Dnepr, or at least the dif and see if it can be fudged into the Ural.

[Bil]

Some schematics of the R75 Differential ---bil

[DARIVS ARCHITECTVS]

What do you guys think of the Chang Jiang 750 R71 clone? I'm considering it as a future purchase for reenacting and riding around. How does the Chinese engine stack up? WHat's the maintenance like? They go for around $5500. Can you trust the Chinese importers? They sell kits a bit cheaper, so do the kits work out okay or are there parts problems? THanks in advance for the help guys...

[maxposner]

Bill, thanks for the drawings on the differentials, it has really sent the noodle scrambling. I was talking to my moto. guru and we were discussing the Dnepr/Urals and he related a recent conversation with a Romanian aquaintence about the daily work on a Dnepr. A new Ural engine/trans assy. can be had for around 3k, and it should shoehorn into the Dnepr.
Darvis, the CJ's are not importable assembled, and are only available as kits, I have seen some examples, and their not bad. Another plus for the Urals is that they are titled as new manufactured bikes, this is an important issue as far as insurance is concerned, the other bikes have assembled titles, or sometimes, they are said to be antiques, pre 1958, as a way of scamming them in.
There was a company that had East German R71's for sale, painted up in Dunkelgrau, but I haven't been able to find the brochure that I had with the sales list. This was several years ago, and they had a R75 listed for $23000,00.