SARCO Kit Arrived - Wasted Barrel
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nutsrusted
Would it be unreasonable to ask SARCO to replace my barrel or should I just let it go and look for another. I know the kit was cheap and I don't expect a perfect barrel but it would be nice to have one that wasn't corroded out. This thing is so bad you look down the muzzle and you don't see any rifling just black pitting and maybe a slight bulge where rifling once was.
CFS replaced all the bad barrels that they sent out (or all the ones I'm aware of), but CFS advertized the barrels as "excellent" in their ads. Did Sarco advertize any particular condition?nutsrusted wrote:Would it be unreasonable to ask SARCO to replace my barrel or should I just let it go and look for another. I know the kit was cheap and I don't expect a perfect barrel but it would be nice to have one that wasn't corroded out. This thing is so bad you look at the muzzle and you don't see any rifling just black pitting. Maybe they shot corrosive rounds and never cleaned it.
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The kit you pictured is about the best condition seen on the current crop of kits. Be happy. Occationally somebody will get a kit that has a good bit of the rear receiver section that somehow escaped the flamethrower, but most kits that have been sold recently have been in less desireable condition than the one pictured, and often have small parts missing.
Keep showing your kits, guys. It's interesting to see what's being delivered now.
GeeDeeEmm
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Bil yes it is one of those Sarco $196.50 kits. Nut rusted the one of the pieces you circled is a spring looks like for the dust cover. I have no idea what it is for. Indeed the peice to hold in the grip stick I did get an extra, but I am missing the two peices that go into the back of reciever to hold in buttstock, luckily I already have some. The one piece that you say should have a spring does. Yes I am also missing a small nut but luckily I got one of them so I can go to Home depot and find one to match.....all in all well worth $200 in my opinion.
It seems like that will be the story on these kits.I think I would get a few barrels from someone else NOW,because when all the kits find a home,and all the new owners need new barrels,there will be a rush,and someone could be left out.You should have a few extras anyway. With missing parts,bad cuts,bad barrels,and no receivers,it makes the 4 cut 42s start to look good.There is one posted here for 950,I think.You could get that much into one of these 'cheap'kits pretty easily. ---bil
I finally received my Sarco kit last Thursday and cleaned it up this weekend by soaking it with paint thinner in a 24†wallpaper tub, using an automotive parts cleaning brush to get all the goop off, which worked great.
The barrel isn’t too bad inside and I can definitely see rifling. It’s not super crisp on the edges, but is at least as good as my 98 Mauser I use for hunting, which is dead-on accurate at 200 yards, so I’m satisfied.
Can you folks take a look at this picture and tell me if I’m missing anything. If necessary I can take a close up of the smaller stuff. I’m at a total loss for what I need to do with thing now. What’s my next step?
I’m use to Kalashnikov style kits where all you do is buy a parts kit and a receiver then rivet them together. Will the new BRP make it that easy, or is there something else I need. Is there any pricing yet on this new receiver?
The barrel isn’t too bad inside and I can definitely see rifling. It’s not super crisp on the edges, but is at least as good as my 98 Mauser I use for hunting, which is dead-on accurate at 200 yards, so I’m satisfied.
Can you folks take a look at this picture and tell me if I’m missing anything. If necessary I can take a close up of the smaller stuff. I’m at a total loss for what I need to do with thing now. What’s my next step?
I’m use to Kalashnikov style kits where all you do is buy a parts kit and a receiver then rivet them together. Will the new BRP make it that easy, or is there something else I need. Is there any pricing yet on this new receiver?
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This looks like a good kit,nothing missing that I can see-I still dont know what the part at the 1 o'clock position is ,below the butt-stock,the lower of the 2 pieces.A small lever with ribs on it.I have it in my 53 kit ,but not the 42.Anybody? You will need to get the barrell bushing repair,it is availlable fromwise-lite,through Apex.A link and how to install are here on site-use'search' No word yet on receivers or the prices ,either.Unless you can get a German cut receiver,I dont know.I am not sure if BRB has them anymore.Good luck,and have fun! ---bil
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nutsrusted
Here's another picture of the smaller parts. I've read about every sticky on here and I'm still a bit confused how you go from this kit to a buildable gun without buying the 3 piece cut receiver.
I guess the new receiver I was thinking about in my earlier post is the Wise Lite one not BRP. Will their barrel bushing, cam section, ratchet plate and grip stick and what I've bought allow me to build a complete gun?
I guess the new receiver I was thinking about in my earlier post is the Wise Lite one not BRP. Will their barrel bushing, cam section, ratchet plate and grip stick and what I've bought allow me to build a complete gun?
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I noticed in another kit picture someone showed on another thread they had two small square pieces that mine doesn't have. Looking at RTG Internationals site I see parts called buffer tabs, which I think is what they were. If I need these, at $32 for the pair I probably won't go broke buying them there, or should I go back to Sarco?
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OK - Parts ID on this page.
Top row - left- first piece looks like the safety button that goes in the trigger group, not sure, as its not clear.
next to that is the latch that holds the butt stock in place, mounts on the bottom of the receiver, on the part you don't have yet/
next- triangular piece - heart of the forward sight, used with the two pins on the right.
Nuts - might go with the spring assembly (forget the name) that pushes the barrel forward.
Next row:
left- finger that locks the muzzle/flash supressor in place - part of the front sight assembly.
next to that: Top cover pivot pin,
next is a split pin - I don't have one on my '42 - I'm clueless
next - if it has a square top and is threaded it goes with one of the nuts above, and the barrel recouperator (?) for pushing barrel forward.
Spring - may be the one that fits in the triangular piece for the front sight. fits in a hole.
Tiny pin - ? I forget...
Bottom row, left
Cover, goes on the bottom of the receiver, covers the discharge opening for the empty brass. Most/many semi- autos don't have these as the bolt has to kick it open when going by on the first shot. Since the bolt is modified, this doesn't happen.
next - looks llike the trigger group retaining pin - fits in the hole behind the trigger. Allows the entire assembly to be removed.
next- small pin, front sight and spring - these all get used in the front sight assembly. the pin rubs against the bottom of the sight, a spring causes that to happen - not sure if it is the small one here or the longer one above. Two springs are used of the front sight assembly.
last little pin? I don't know - in a little hole somewhere?
Top row - left- first piece looks like the safety button that goes in the trigger group, not sure, as its not clear.
next to that is the latch that holds the butt stock in place, mounts on the bottom of the receiver, on the part you don't have yet/
next- triangular piece - heart of the forward sight, used with the two pins on the right.
Nuts - might go with the spring assembly (forget the name) that pushes the barrel forward.
Next row:
left- finger that locks the muzzle/flash supressor in place - part of the front sight assembly.
next to that: Top cover pivot pin,
next is a split pin - I don't have one on my '42 - I'm clueless
next - if it has a square top and is threaded it goes with one of the nuts above, and the barrel recouperator (?) for pushing barrel forward.
Spring - may be the one that fits in the triangular piece for the front sight. fits in a hole.
Tiny pin - ? I forget...
Bottom row, left
Cover, goes on the bottom of the receiver, covers the discharge opening for the empty brass. Most/many semi- autos don't have these as the bolt has to kick it open when going by on the first shot. Since the bolt is modified, this doesn't happen.
next - looks llike the trigger group retaining pin - fits in the hole behind the trigger. Allows the entire assembly to be removed.
next- small pin, front sight and spring - these all get used in the front sight assembly. the pin rubs against the bottom of the sight, a spring causes that to happen - not sure if it is the small one here or the longer one above. Two springs are used of the front sight assembly.
last little pin? I don't know - in a little hole somewhere?
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For those of you with these parts in hand (above), you can start figuring out how the front sight goes together. You will also need the barrel shroud - probably the largest piece you have. It will have the mount on it, in the front on the top (duh). The two pins will hold everything together and on the shroud.
Puzzle time ! The front sight will fold down flat, toward the back, when not in use. The finger that goes to the front will only lift up 1/4 to 3/8" to allow the muzzle/flash supressor to be rotated for adjustment or removal.
The triangular piece will be held to the shroud by the two pins, and the holes on it will match those in the shroud (surprise!)
The rest I will leave up to you- the springs don't make it easy. Maybe start without those in place. Think like a German engineer -logical, frugal and idiot proof, once you have seen it once.
Once it all works (and it will) remember you may have to take it off to weld on the front threaded nose. When the nose goes in, remember the sight assembly and that it needs to go back in - be sure it will all fit (it should).
It is a puzzle that many of us have been through. You can ask better questions if you have been playing with the parts. Really it is an incredible design. One of these days I'll get some pics up to help out. It can be done. We're here to help.
Chris
For those of you with these parts in hand (above), you can start figuring out how the front sight goes together. You will also need the barrel shroud - probably the largest piece you have. It will have the mount on it, in the front on the top (duh). The two pins will hold everything together and on the shroud.
Puzzle time ! The front sight will fold down flat, toward the back, when not in use. The finger that goes to the front will only lift up 1/4 to 3/8" to allow the muzzle/flash supressor to be rotated for adjustment or removal.
The triangular piece will be held to the shroud by the two pins, and the holes on it will match those in the shroud (surprise!)
The rest I will leave up to you- the springs don't make it easy. Maybe start without those in place. Think like a German engineer -logical, frugal and idiot proof, once you have seen it once.
Once it all works (and it will) remember you may have to take it off to weld on the front threaded nose. When the nose goes in, remember the sight assembly and that it needs to go back in - be sure it will all fit (it should).
It is a puzzle that many of us have been through. You can ask better questions if you have been playing with the parts. Really it is an incredible design. One of these days I'll get some pics up to help out. It can be done. We're here to help.
Chris
Ok…I’m looking at John Baum’s (German Manuals) exploded view drawing of the gun and see what you’re talking about on the front sight, so I’ll see if I can figure out how it goes together. This is going to be fun! Will I be able to actually say I’m assembling my gun?
If only it were that simple. I got to admit I’m still pretty stumped how you go from what I’ve got to a complete gun. Are the missing parts to build it the barrel bushing, cam section, ratchet plate from Wise Lite and a modified grip stick, along with some welding skills?
All the stickys I’ve viewed show building the gun by welding back up the cut 3 sections of a complete receiver. Are the Wise Lite components going to weld onto the rear torched section of the barrel shroud? Be great to see some pictures when they’re available.
If only it were that simple. I got to admit I’m still pretty stumped how you go from what I’ve got to a complete gun. Are the missing parts to build it the barrel bushing, cam section, ratchet plate from Wise Lite and a modified grip stick, along with some welding skills?
All the stickys I’ve viewed show building the gun by welding back up the cut 3 sections of a complete receiver. Are the Wise Lite components going to weld onto the rear torched section of the barrel shroud? Be great to see some pictures when they’re available.
"No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women" Ronald Reagan
The new receivers should be long enough to weld up to what you have.I don't know if they will have the 'ratchet plate',they are availlable fromRTG,anong others.$22 for the old style. i am not sure why there are 2 styles. You will also need the rails ! pair.they are avial.from various sources.You will need rail rivets,they are avail from me for free to members here,send name and address in PM,I will sent them to you,I ask that you make a donation to the site.The buffer tabs may or may not come with the new receiver-RTG and others have them.They are riveted in,so take that into account.There are other rivets needed,Is your barrel gate still attached? A lot will depend on what the new receiver has with it.These parts are riveted on-FCG/lafette mount,front site,rear site,AA sight[if aplicable]cam section,buffer tabs.Ratchet plate is spot welded on.You will also have to have the semi mods,you can do them,or have one of the guys in the 'services'section do them. This should give you a basic idea of what you need Good Luck! ---bil
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Top row - left- tripod cross bolt - .88comm wrote:OK - Parts ID on this page.
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next to that is the latch that holds the butt stock in place, mounts on the bottom of the receiver, on the part you don't have yet.
next- triangular piece - heart of the forward sight, used with the two pins on the right.
Nuts - might go with the spring assembly ( recuperator) that pushes the barrel forward.
Next row:
left- finger that locks the muzzle/flash suppressor in place - part of the front sight assembly.
next to that: Top cover pivot pin,
next is a male split pin - used with the larger female split pin below to hold the Gripstick on
next - rear recuperator bolt it goes with one of the nuts above, and the barrel recuperator (?) for pushing barrel forward.
Spring - may be the one that fits in the triangular piece for the front sight. fits in a hole.
Tiny pin - ? I forget...
Bottom row, left
Cover, goes on the bottom of the receiver, covers the discharge opening for the empty brass. Most/many semi- autos don't have these as the bolt has to kick it open when going by on the first shot. Since the bolt is modified, this doesn't happen.
next - looks like the trigger group female split retaining pin - fits in the hole behind the trigger. Allows the entire assembly to be removed.
next- small pin, front sight and spring - these all get used in the front sight assembly. the pin rubs against the bottom of the sight, a spring causes that to happen - not sure if it is the small one here or the longer one above. Two springs are used of the front sight assembly.
last little pin? I don't know - in a little hole somewhere?
i just added to 88's post rather than retype everything. you can find detailed info in the mg42 stickies to answer lots of these questions
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nutsrusted
Hi Bil.
Based on the excellent info and pictures you fine folks have posted I think I'm only missing the two screws for the Recuperator. I don't think I'm too worried about them considering
I need to get a receiver to put all these parts on.
MGMike had an extra set of buffer tabs was kind enough to send give them to me. From what I've seen these two parts have not been included in the recent kits.
Sorry for the delay in posting. I've been busy in the garage building the barrel bushings for turbothis and a-K. I want to ship them out Friday.
Based on the excellent info and pictures you fine folks have posted I think I'm only missing the two screws for the Recuperator. I don't think I'm too worried about them considering
I need to get a receiver to put all these parts on.
MGMike had an extra set of buffer tabs was kind enough to send give them to me. From what I've seen these two parts have not been included in the recent kits.
Sorry for the delay in posting. I've been busy in the garage building the barrel bushings for turbothis and a-K. I want to ship them out Friday.
Nuts-That was nice of MGMike to give you those-they aint too cheap! Thats another thing I like about this site.Real help.The receiver thing is holding everyone [almost] up-when they come out it will be like the first spring day-things will be popping up all over! I am kind of dis-apointed that we haven't gotten any receivers on the market yet-It seemed like in January they would be here any moment! On the other hand,check out what Pirate has been up to-his projects look good for us.No moss on him! Good luck with the build! ---bil