The future of Kits, Barrels and Receivers?

Cpt_Kirks · Post by **Cpt_Kirks** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:36 am

The last I heard (from someone here) was that BRP said they will produce 80% receivers for sale, "Never, never, never again".

That was second hand, though.

Look at it from BRP's point of view. They can sell 80% receivers for about $1000, or full SA42's for $5500+, with a little more work (after you make a receiver from scratch, the rest is "a little more work").

KMURPHY · Post by **KMURPHY** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:02 am

that sucks

lmsc07ct · Post by **lmsc07ct** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:19 pm

True, but from my point of view There is some interest at $1000 for the receiver, and no interest at only being able to pick up a $5500 gun. With the IMA pieces available, torched barrel shrouds and a weaponeer.net bearing, I'll wing it. Hopefully today I get a new job and don't have to sell off my 4 cut anyway. Then I'll build both kits.

DrSmeller · Post by **DrSmeller** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:48 pm

BRP is making easier $$$ with the Stemple(sp?) guns, etc. The mg42's were a headache for less money. The last group buy was for 80% receivers already built and collecting dust on the shelves. So it was rather painless to get rid of them. BRP doesn't need or want to do another run. At least this is how i understood it, could be wrong.

If they run out things to do they may change their mind but that doesn't sound likely. Maybe they'll sell the dies and we'll be in 80% receivers again

. Maybe they do intend on making receivers again, just a few years down the road. Otherwise why not turn the machinerey into cash? It's doing them no good taking up space, collecting dust.

Post by **Blanksguy** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:58 pm

BRP will be making more SA42s (and the SA42 receivers in the future........they won't "sell" the machinery because they do not have the machinery.

What BRP does is farm the heavy stamping part of the work out to another company on their stamping-machinery.....then go over and pick up the sections of SA42 receivers for BRP's machinist to make "product" out of.

Regards, RichardS.
Blanksguy2001@chartermi.net

DrSmeller · Post by **DrSmeller** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:07 am

Ah yes, well i thought there might be more to the story - thanks Blanksguy. Good to hear they plan on making more receivers in the future. The demand is certainly there.

mr. wipple · Post by **mr. wipple** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:14 am

I contacted BRP in an e-mail in August and asked them if they would offer a semi-auto receiver again. They repllied with "We're not doing any more until we're done with the subguns... Likely
mid-2007."

Post by **88comm** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:21 pm

I will concur with blanksguy in the fact that BRP does not have stamping equipment inhouse. Last Feb/March I went to visit the operation and with Brian had a nickel tour. For the record I could have counted the FT employees on my two hands (fingers were left over). It was an interesting tour, the facility was less than 6k sq.ft. and there were no stamping machines in sight. At the time I was hoping to pick up a kit, but there were none in stock and no immediate dates for when there would be any.
I would expect BRP to probably own the dies, but subcontract the stamping on an "as need" basis.

As noted earlier, we would need to commit to a quantity of receivers that would mean enough dollars to make it worth their while.

In the process of doing that, why not get that barrel manufacturer in line for the same kind of production numbers?

KMURPHY · Post by **KMURPHY** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:38 pm

well since i missed the IMA boat.......i need more options for a reciever!!

BELTLEAD · Post by **BELTLEAD** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:07 am

Brian of BRP told me a company in Michigan that makes automobile parts does his MG42 receiver stampings and that they use a 100 ton press.Just like Tom mentioned about the Grease Gun made by Guidelamp Division.Guidelight made autombile parts for GM.In Southern NJ we have a steel mill named Fazio Inc. that has those 100+ ton stamping equipment.One of the workers told me they do contracts of manufacturing on the side.I never asked Brian he created the mold or just gave the plans to a machine shop.We could make blueprints from existing receivers.Brian made his stampings simpler by using four pieces instead of the original two halves,probably cut down on rejects.

Here's a wild thought! What if we could make a mold for a MP44 semi-auto receiver and sell the receiver stampings as two halves since it's such a short receiver.IMA must have imported thousands of the MP44 kits because they were available from 1996 until 2000.

signman · Post by **signman** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:45 pm

New here, just a twist on this lack of receivers. Knew a guy lived in Russia about 10 years. Once when he was 'home' for a stay, we got to talking. He needed a M2 Carbine sear. I had one only. but let him have it. A year latter he stopped by in a rush he hands me my sear and 10 exact copies. He knew a machinist in Russia. Cost him 20 bucks for 16 sears!
Find a Russian factory needing work. MG42 receivers I bet for 150-200. Then again theirs aways China.

Post by **M1 Tanker** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:10 pm

Other then they would probably be banned from import.... I think after we see how the MP44 semi auto goes we would know if that even has a chance.

-M60_Gunner- · Post by **-M60_Gunner-** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:15 pm

M1 Tanker wrote:Other then they would probably be banned from import.... I think after we see how the MP44 semi auto goes we would know if that even has a chance.

I hate to be a pesimist but, I'm not going to hold my breath on the ATF allowing the MP44's to be imported.

Sledge303 · Post by **Sledge303** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:41 pm

signman wrote:New here, just a twist on this lack of receivers. Knew a guy lived in Russia about 10 years. Once when he was 'home' for a stay, we got to talking. He needed a M2 Carbine sear. I had one only. but let him have it. A year latter he stopped by in a rush he hands me my sear and 10 exact copies. He knew a machinist in Russia. Cost him 20 bucks for 16 sears!
Find a Russian factory needing work. MG42 receivers I bet for 150-200. Then again theirs aways China.

I did some checking about importing firearms parts from China. I was curious why we only see Shotgun stuff. Seems that the US DOS has rules in place allowing only shotguns and shotgun parts to be imported from China into the USA. Nothing with a rifled barrel is supposed to be allowed in from China (including air rifles). I think the intent is to protect US manufacturers of firearms from the cheap competition.

8mm-man · Post by **8mm-man** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:30 pm

I have often thought about what everyone in America would do without Chinese products.
Imagine how empty a Wal-Mart would be.
OK, so why not ban importation of Chinese underwear?
And, I don't see Ruger turning out SKS's.
But, it sounds good in some ways but weird in others.
In the end, if it has the name "firearm" attached to it, it is up for manipulation by the feds.
lol-I've got a Chinese pellet gun, used to shoot those big Texas "red wasps" with it on the porch.

PvtJoker · Post by **PvtJoker** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:06 am

8mm-man wrote:I have often thought about what everyone in America would do without Chinese products.
Imagine how empty a Wal-Mart would be.

Oh Gawd; don't tease me with such a lovely fantasy!!! Next thing you know, there might even be American companies that made their products IN AMERICA!!!