Amnesty question

Stgw44 · Post by **Stgw44** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:11 am

Hello,
If there were another amnesty, what exactly would people be able to register? Cut receivers, anything serialed(pieces of tube, sheetmetal), or just complete receivers? Would a receiver be examined before it could be registered, or do you just get the paperwork to match the receiver.

-Ed

Post by **TOM R** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:16 am

THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER AMNEST, sorry just don't hold your breath

Post by **Blanksguy** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:55 am

stgw44,
There might be a limited "Amnesty"........but the Veteran's Heritage Act (VHA) won't have enough of an impact to work to have it passed. Under the VHA...the "Amnesty" will be limited to only those weapons that your "Family-Members had in their position and were allowed to bring back by their chain-of-command. Read the proposed wording.

This would mean that if the VHA were passed....newly manufactured weapons would not be allowed....nor would "US" weapons as "US Property", the chain-of-command would not allow a service member to take them back to his home....correct?
And last.......all of those "cut-weapons/DEMILed receivers/Parts-Kits that were imported?......Is there a possibility that those "destroyed-weapons" were listed anywhere by serial-number prior to being destroyed? A weapon can't be in two places at the same time (IE: Your Grand-Dad's locker....and listed as being in storage in England...or Portugal....or? The wording reads that all other weapons that are not "allowed" by BATF.....will be allowed to be turned into BATF instead of Prosecution........sounds more like they are just using this law to find more weapons to destroy?

No, what we really need is a slightly broader definition added to that VHA before it becomes a law........allowing all weapons owned by anyone prior to the November '68 Amnesty...... How would we suggest that this be done?.......maybe suggest that Congress modify the VHA "wording" to allow any Veteran (or his Family) the ability to register those weapons that meet the VHA criteria for "Free"/No Tax............AND that all other weapons that are registered at the time of this 90-day Amnesty be allowed if the Veteran (or his Family) pay either a $200 Tax/registration-fee.....or $500 "fee"......? With the additional wording of not being "retroactive" for those in jail?

We need to do more than just those few weapons that will be allowed......because once we have a limited Amnesty........Do you believe that our Government will ever allow another Amnesty in your life-time?

Be safe, RichardS.

Post by **JBaum** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:09 pm

Any guesses about what would be allowed are merely guess. The deterimining factor is the language of the amnesty at the time. Any guesses about final wording are only guesses.

In short, there is no way for anyone to know what will happen after until it happens, and with the way ATFE and the laws go, they'll probably even change it after that, then redefine what they said, then redefine what they meant to say, then.......

Post by **Colorado1919** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:55 am

What wouldd be great is we could get the nra to to get congress to give us back our MGs. To get rid the 86 law and we could file form 1s on our parts kits.

Brass Scrounger · Post by **Brass Scrounger** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:53 am

There will be another amnesty the same day there are $100 Lahtis, $200 Solothurns and $20 K98s w/Nazi markings.

Post by **JBaum** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:01 am

Colorado1919 - the NRA will never help NFA weapons owners. They don't care about machine guns, and have said so repeatedly. They're the ones who agreed to the law stating that there would be no new production, and the president of the NRA has stated that there's no reason for anyone to own a machine gun. If you want machine guns back, the NRA is the wrong place to look for help. They still think the second amendment is about duck hunting.

Post by **bart** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:38 am

The last amnesty period i know of was to turn striker-12 and usas 12 into destructive devices may of 2000 i believe.If anything i would think youll see more of this done to existing current production firearms......lets hope not.

Post by **Blanksguy** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:08 pm

jbaum,
We do have a better chance to have our Congress change the wording on the VHA "IF" we talk/write/e-mail/call them what we want changed and why..............and even though everyone says they will not listed to us.......Congress listened to "Retired-Veterans" and is slowing passing that "Concurrect-Receipt" Bill for Disabled Veterans who are also 20-yr. retirees to receive both their disability pay and their retirement-pay. "Everyone" said that it could not be done.....and it is law now.
It would be worth the extra wait-time of months or even a couple of years on a "changed/re-worded VHA to have something more useful to out Class III wants than this "limited" bill that just is not going to help correct the current NFRTR problems and the Class III comunity wants. (IE: Collectors/Shooters/Reenactors/etc. ).

Congressmen and women are not "mind-readers" ....but they do listen to the "numbers" of calls/letters/e-mails/etc. because they want to be re-elected. "Letter-writing-campaings" do work.
Get them hooked onto the idea of bringing in more revenue (tax-Dolars that they can waste)...and they just may change the wording on the VHA "Amnesty"......if we all stay quiet.....we will never know.

Just my $.02
RichardS.
Blanksguy2001@chartermi.net

Post by **JBaum** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:33 pm

I agree with you completely....

What I said was that the NRA is useless when it comes to anything full auto. I stand by that.

Did I miss your point, or did you miss mine?

Post by **Blanksguy** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:16 pm

jbaum,
Never missed your "ponit".....I was just replying/commenting about your "Sat" posting.......I agree with you about the NRA. But then, the NRA is only for certain guns and the "rights" attached to them......or they would comment in writting in support of Class III ownership.....and then help us to get a "useful" Amnesty out of the VHA.

Regards, RichardS.
Blanksguy2001@chartermi.net

Post by **Colorado1919** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:06 am

jbaum

I know the nra is anti MG or anything that looks like a mg. I was a member of the nra up to 1986. I saw them comprimise our MGs away. I have said before that the nra believes that beltfeeder = bottomfeeder. Some people around here are saying we are on the darkside. We know this is just a joke but nra types think it is true. To them we are the darkside of the shooting sports. Did you realize that. You and I are the problem. If It wasn't for us and our MGs and lookalike MGs crminals would be nice people.
Yes I know the nra has spoken out against MGs. And I know that it can start a fight in some place if you say that because the nra has convince them that the nra are the only ones who can save the second amendment. I don't believe this. I know there are gun owners who contact there congrees persons. Who are not members of the nra. Who take pains to keep track of whats going on and voice opinions.

YES jbaum I BELIEVE THERE IS A SANTA CLAUSE. But I don't believe the nra is every going to get our MGs back.

BUT if we on this site and those on other sites like it can get together. Maybe we can start a grassroots movement that can do something. And from reading some of the posts on this site I think our leaders might already be here or not far away.

Post by **Colorado1919** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:16 am

Blanksguy

What is you want the VHA to say. What should we tell our congress persons to put in this law. I have not looked at any thing on this so I'm not sure what is going on. Let me know what is going on.

Post by **Colorado1919** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:25 am

Sorry jbaum the frist post was a sortof straw man. Forgive. Just trying to scout out the lay of the land around here.

Stgw44 · Post by **Stgw44** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:34 am

N-ational
M-achine
G-un
A-ssociation

Lets start it!

-Ed

Post by **Blanksguy** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:09 am

If the "movement" on this VHA law has any support at all (last count was only 55 signed on Congresional Reps.)....tell them to re-word the law to encompass all "Veterans" up to and including the date of enactment. There are a lot of Veterans out there today that are in "Harms-Way"....and if they brought something back from a Combat Zone...then they should be allowed to keep it legally. Should a WWII Veteran be given any more respect than an Iraqi-War Veteran ?....or Gulf-War Vet. A "Veteran" of any war/conflict should be treated with equal respect.......and to re-word this VHA would help to put all Veterans on the same level.......correct?

If they want to get "sticky" about the Nov. 1968 dead-line........tell them to add in the "wording" to the VHA that those weapons allowed into the NFRTR be allowed in Tax-Free for those that meet the "pre-Nov.1968" cut-off....and that any other weapons be allowed in after the $200 Tax is Paid....or $500 Tax/registration-fee to allow them in for that "additional revenue" for the "Feds". That would off-set that money that BATF was allocated to "fix" the NFRTR a short time ago.....and nothing got fixed (where did the money go?).

As far as a NMGA......look inside the cover of "Small-Arms-Review".....it was already started and has many members.

Be safe, RichardS.
Blanksguy2001@chartermi.net

Post by **Colorado1919** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:34 am

Blanksguy

What you saying is that we need to tell our reprsentives that veterans since 1968 net to be included in the VHA even if it takes a tax to regester thier weapons. Understood.
Where can I find this list of those who have signed on.

Guess we have hijacked this thread but it is a very important thing we are talking about. We need to show our respect for those who put thier lives on the line to protect us.

One last thing I know about "Small-Arms-Review." They don't sell them around here how can I get a copy?

Post by **bart** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:36 pm

small arms review subscription # is 702-565-2926; e mail office@smallarmsreview.comm

Post by **Colorado1919** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 4:03 am

bart

Thanks for the info.

Post by **CharlieB** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:30 pm

I agree completely with Colorado1919. The NRA sold us down the river in 1986. What they fail to realize is if they give in one inch to the anti-gunners their precious Root pistols and flintlocks will be next!!!

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