Can someone do something for me?

[m1-dan]

I was wondering if anyone of you fine persons out there would be a real Bud and take some pics for me. I have a Apex kit , Rear Ima piece and the front camm piece from pirate. I would like to have some close up pictures with lots of detail on all sides of around the camming section. The Humps in the receiver , where the barrel door latches when it open, and with the cam off the receiver. I would greatly appreciated it , Thank you

Dan

[salt6]

http://salt6.com/qa.htm

[m1-dan]

Thanks salt i could only see a few pic's under your receiver section not all came up.

[msg1956]

m1-dan

I too am an inmate of the Democratic People's Republik of CT. If you are planning to build an MG42, and do live in CT, be aware you can't build it in the conventional configuration. I have been in contact with the CT State Police Weapons Unit, and they say it is illegal under the CT AWB. It is banned because it has too many AW features. Since you can't remove the threaded end for the flashhider, you have to loose the pistol grip.

My plan, was to build it as a spade grip model, with no provision for a butt stock or pistol grip. This has the additional advantage of taking it off of the Federal 922r hitlist (it is no longer a "firearm" under that CFR since it is not fired from the shoulder), and you can use original parts.

[JBaum]

Could the nozzle (flash hider) of the muzzle booster be cut off? Either that or build a muzzle brake like the ones on the early MG42? Would that satisfy CT law?

There are pictures of the muzzle booster in one of the manuals - someone had some pictures posted on here of one they made....

[MG34Biker]

Get some 4140 0.10" sheet from www.onlinemetals.com and TIG up the experimental muzzle brake.

Grind down the muzzle device threads and use 4 0.25" set screws to attach the muzzle device to the front bearing.

Sleeve the flash suppressor into a dummy.

[m1-dan]

Ive checked the laws that are published here in CT and there is notthing against what we do for this. As far as the muzzle what if we tack it in a few places to make it somewhat permanet. They are no MG42's or M53's on the ban list and they shouldnt be making us do that. I own a 1919a4 in Semi auto and have had no problem with that and that is a pistol grip, threaded muzzle on it. The gun clubs allow it as it does not fall under the ban. I cant wait to eventually move south hopefully sooner than later.

[m1-dan]

Oh and forgot to mention that the CT Assualt weapon states that AWB is for any selective fire device , which out SA42's are not, and that any semiauto under the ban list, i know we have some regulations like bayonet lug, and the muzzle break, if we have enough us made parts on it then we should be good. maybe weld arouns the flash hider to make it look permanet?

[msg1956]

m1-dan

OK, you have gotten a couple of things crossed here.

The CT AWB bans firearms by two categories. First is by name/model, second is by the list of features (a pistol grip that extends below the receiver and one of the following: barrel threaded for flash hider, bayonet lug, night sights, etc). The 1919 does not have a pistol grip that extends below the receiver, and is not named in the law by model, so it is fine. And the whole US parts count thing is a Federal CFR (922r), and has nothing to do with CT law.

The issue lies with the pistol grip and the threaded muzzle end of the receiver. Although the BARREL itself is not threaded for a flash hider, the receiver is. A technicality that I would surely not want to rely on in a court facing criminal charges. While it is possible to remove the threads and pin the booster assembly on somehow (remember, it has to be removable to clean), the expansion chamber of the booster could qualify as a form of flash hider, even if you saw off the cone on the end of the assembly.

The CT State Police are enforcing the law quite literally. If it is semi auto, you can only have ONE of the AW features. Once you have the pistol grip that hangs below the receiver, the rest of the list is out! While the State Police are very helpful with information, they will not give you anything in writing that you can use as an approval. They basically said to get arrested, and let the courts settle it (or just stay away from these type of guns and avoid the arrest).

You are certainly free to do what you want. I just wanted to give you a heads up before you wound up hot water. Just something to think about. Good luck!

[m1-dan]

ah ok well this really BLOWS i hate ct

[msg1956]

I totally agree about CT sucking. I did what you did. I purchased all the stuff to make a semi MG42, and then found out the AWB would prevent it! I still plan on building a semi, just with the above mentioned spade grip modification. The good news is, if I ever get out of this damned liberal state, I can always change it back (with some cutting and welding).

Buy an MG3 tripod to shoot off of. They are pretty cheap right now.

[msg1956]

I forgot to mention. The most ironic part is, a FA MG42 is perfectly legal here in the original configuration! Too bad I don't have $30-$40K for one!

[Bil]

Coming from Vermont,I would have to agree-Connecticut sucks! Actually,it is very nice on the weekend,when half the population is up here! {msg1956s grandmother used to live next to me].Actually,if you guys get up here,stop and visit! ---bil

[m1-dan]

Hey MSG have some really really great news regarding a MG42 in CT. Talked to the SWU and with one of there SGT.'s about the mg42. I asked if there legal in SA and he told me and had a second opinion from his superior, he looked up a BRP model , he said that they do have the characteristics of a Assualt weapon but as long as we use the original MG42 receivers dated before 1993 even if there a reweld that they are legal and are perfectly fine to own. He even said that because it is a Belt fed firearm that it does not fall under the AWB or the list. Also as long as no selector switch which there is not we are still good. I explained to him bout the conversion and he was really helpful, I told him what you said and he said that who ever you talked with did not know what they were talking about. SO we are good buddy . So we can build one with the cut up receiver just not a new production one. He said after that talk " So your good to go and get one of them have fun"

Also talked to BRP later on today they said they have shipped there SA42's to CT residents before.

[Abominog]

You may want to INFORM the CTSP and ask for a decision in WRITING.

I don't know CTs "assault rifle" laws, but I can say NY's are almost identical to the now-defunct 1994 federal ban.

Here is why a semi-42 is legal in NY despite what some may "think":

1. The banned features include PG, etc etc and "ability to accept a detachable magazine". Note it says "magazine" not High Capacity Feeding Device (HCFD). NY's law defines HCFD as magazines, belts, and drums. Thus, like squares and rectangles, a magazine is a HCFD, but a HCFD is not necessarily a magazine. ONLY the magazine feature is counted, not a belt or drum.

2. Go find a definition of "muzzle" that says anything about a gas block, sight block, receiver or shroud. You won't. The muzzle is the front end of the BARREL. The BARREL on the semi-42 is not threaded. The barrel on semi-AK74s is not threaded.

Now, any half-informed copper can arrest you for about anything. But, without a doubt, even a retard lawyer will get you off on the NY assault rifle thing based on the above. The thing to avoid of course is the arrest, and more important the lawyer's fees. To do so, you may want to write to the SP, pointing out these elements, and get a ruling from them in writing- then keep it with you.

Again, that is NY, not CT. Maybe they have similarities, or maybe CT was less discrete. Go read the law and see what it says.

[msg1956]

m1-dan

Man, the CTSP are sure scarey! Not only does the information they gave you directly say the opposite of what they told me, it makes little sense by itself!

First off, "he said that they do have the characteristics of a Assualt weapon ". Cut and dried, it is an Assault Weapon under the CT AWB. That is like saying you are a little bit pregnant. Either you are or are not. Here is the State of CT definition of AW:

Sec. 53-202a. Assault weapons: Definition. (a) As used in this section and sections 53-202b to 53-202k, inclusive, "assault weapon" means:

(3) Any semiautomatic firearm not listed in subdivision (1) of this subsection that meets the following criteria:

(A) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

(i) A folding or telescoping stock;

(ii) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

(iii) A bayonet mount;

(iv) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and

(v) A grenade launcher

The flash suppressor (note the barrel does not have to be treaded), and the pistol grip are the parts that screws up the SA42 for us.

Second: "As long as we use the original MG42 receivers dated before 1993 even if there a reweld that they are legal and are perfectly fine to own". WTF? That has absolutely nothing to do with anything! Read the AWB law, you could get a Certificate of Possession during the registration window, but not now. If falls under the AWB, you had to register it in 1993 to keep it. Make it now, and it is illegal.

Third: "He even said that because it is a Belt fed firearm that it does not fall under the AWB or the list". I am assuming he meant that since it is not feed by a magazine, and the CT AWB does not mention belts, it is not an AW. The trouble is, that there is a drum magazine for the MG42. Even if you don't possess one, since it can still hook to the gun if you did, it is illegal!

Next: "Also as long as no selector switch which there is not we are still good". That refers to the fact that select fire machine guns are AW under the ban, while FA only are not. Since we are talking about semis here, and under federal law we can no longer make FA guns, it is irrelevent.

Lastly: "I told him what you said and he said that who ever you talked with did not know what they were talking about". I can't help but think the guy I spoke to would say the same about the guy you spoke to!

The State Police will not issue anything in writing to say what is legal or not. Get arrested while going to the range by a local cop, and the guys we spoke to will disappear like ice in springtime. The state prosecuter who tries your case will not care about a phone conversation you had with an unknown State Trooper!

If BRP says they have shipped SA42s to CT, find out what dealers they went to. Maybe they have a better insight on how to get them here legally.

Don't get me wrong. I am no lawyer, nor am I the brightest star in the sky. Also, I really would like to have a SA42. However, it is not worth risking everything by trying to split hairs. In the end, even if you get off, the court costs might make that $35K FA original MG42 seem cheap!

[FKpt.Fritz]

my interpretation of the law says all belt feds don't apply since it uses the word magazine. in (A) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:. since a MG42 accepts a Belt and not per say a Magazine it does not qualify as a Assault weapon. of coarse i would make sure what the definition of Magazine in CT is but if its the same as NY any lawyer with a half a brain could win the case off of this. since the law is always what it is interpreted to be and not necessary what it was meant to be. and the drum for the mg42 is nothing more than a holder for a belt thus it may not fall under the definition of a magazine since it doesn't rely on a spring to push the rounds. this is defiantly something that could be argued in court... just because you can buy one and use does this make the whole gun illeagle. in that case someone could make a bayonet lug, pistol grip and flash hider for any old billy bob bubby deer hunter.. would that qualify the those illegal under circumstance and possible intent? the fact that under the law the MG42 may not even be considered a assault weapon. but it is a technicality and im sure was not meant to be left out when the law was written and would be changed if you were to get off i am sure so is it worth the risk?

[Bil]

While you make some valid points,and it all looks well and good,I would guess that you have not spend any great amount of time in a courtroom.Not that I would recomend it,but over the years I have had the experiance of sitting in almost every position except the bench.Anyone that thinks they are there to hear the facts,see justice,or have their say is dreaming.The entire system is a game that is played by the people working in the system,and the general public are just the game pieces that are passing through.The system doesn't give a rats a$$ about whether you are right or wrong,guilty or innocent.Facts are distorted,left out,misinterpreted,and twisted.Evidence is with-held from the jury,or mentioned,then they are told to 'disregard' it. And at the end of the day they go home and do it again,because that is their job.Time means nothing to them.You can wait for as long as they feel like making you wait.The law can be 'interpreted' differantly depending on the judge.What you see as clear can be 'taken under advisement'.Just remember this whenever you have dealings with our legal system.Once you see it for what it is,you will have no disillusions if you end up there. ---bil

[JBaum]

The trouble is, that there is a drum magazine for the MG42.

No, there isn't. The drum holds the belt. The belt is the feeding device, not the drum. It is not a drum magazine any more than the box that mounts on the side of the 1919a4 to hold the belt is a magazine. The MG42 has a round box which holds the belt.

The MG34 has a double drum magazine which holds 75 rounds and is the feeding device. The MG42 does not have a drum magazine.

[rocco1911]

While you make some valid points,and it all looks well and good,I would guess that you have not spend any great amount of time in a courtroom.Not that I would recomend it,but over the years I have had the experiance of sitting in almost every position except the bench.Anyone that thinks they are there to hear the facts,see justice,or have their say is dreaming.The entire system is a game that is played by the people working in the system,and the general public are just the game pieces that are passing through.The system doesn't give a rats a$$ about whether you are right or wrong,guilty or innocent.Facts are distorted,left out,misinterpreted,and twisted.Evidence is with-held from the jury,or mentioned,then they are told to 'disregard' it. And at the end of the day they go home and do it again,because that is their job.Time means nothing to them.You can wait for as long as they feel like making you wait.The law can be 'interpreted' differantly depending on the judge.What you see as clear can be 'taken under advisement'.Just remember this whenever you have dealings with our legal system.Once you see it for what it is,you will have no disillusions if you end up there. ---bil

Wow bil you really have spent some time in the system you really drove that one home