Rail orientation question?

Post by **boss429** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:12 pm

Does the scolloped edge on the front end of rails face up or down?

robertmcw · Post by **robertmcw** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:37 pm

As you are looking down on the receiver with the rear end toward your stomach, the flat end of the rail goes on the left and on the bottom (down). This is because the recuperator goes on the left under the rail and the flat edge of that rail was left flat to accomodate the recuperator. I put mine in bass - ackwards and had to grind the bottom of the left rail to get the recuperator in.

Post by **boss429** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:51 am

Thanks man,I looked all over and couldn't find a thing avbout it.
I couldn't even find a picture, drawing or anything showing the recouperator.(and at the time didn't know they actually touched each other( the rail and the recouperater))

Hitman · Post by **Hitman** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:49 pm

How about the vertical orientation?
Seems like the only way to get the recoup to fit, is if the top edge of the left rail is snug up against the top of the receiver.

Info and any pics appreciated.

Post by **drooling idiot** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:35 pm

boss429 wrote:Thanks man,I looked all over and couldn't find a thing about it.
I couldn't even find a picture, drawing or anything showing the recuperator.

SON OF A BISCUIT

did you look here ? http://www.panzer46.net/mg42board/viewtopic.php?t=1612
you know i try , i really try to be helpful and then you go and hurt my feelings like that

is there any info about the recuperator you need thats not in the stickie ?

Post by **drooling idiot** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:58 pm

Hitman wrote:How about the vertical orientation?
Seems like the only way to get the recoup to fit, is if the top edge of the left rail is snug up against the top of the receiver.

Info and any pics appreciated.

resist the temptation to put the rails as high as you think they should go.
there needs to be a small gap at the top between the rails and the receiver . look at the way the bolts machined it would never work if the rails were at the very top.
YES installing the recuperator is a MAJOR PITA the first time , but it gets easier and you will have to remove and reinstall it several times I'm sure.

the front should align with the cam section
the rear should have the rivets in the center of the rail so they don't bind the bolt.

PvtJoker · Post by **PvtJoker** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:04 pm

Should you temporarly bolt in the recuperator before riveting the rails in, to get the spacing right? (And then take it back out to do whatever other steps are needed before permanently installing it later)

Post by **striker754** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:49 pm

dagobert wrote:Should you temporarly bolt in the recuperator before riveting the rails in, to get the spacing right? (And then take it back out to do whatever other steps are needed before permanently installing it later)

i didnt

Post by **JBaum** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:16 am

drooling idiot wrote:
boss429 wrote:Thanks man,I looked all over and couldn't find a thing about it.
I couldn't even find a picture, drawing or anything showing the recuperator.
SON OF A BISCUIT
did you look here ? http://www.panzer46.net/mg42board/viewtopic.php?t=1612
you know i try , i really try to be helpful and then you go and hurt my feelings like that
is there any info about the recuperator you need thats not in the stickie ?

You? Do you know how many messages about manuals with exploded parts diagrams I've left on here? (OK, too many, but that's not the point!)

hahahahahahah

stearmandriver · Post by **stearmandriver** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:43 am

You have manuals with exploding parts? Or are they just exploding manuals? Coool!

PvtJoker · Post by **PvtJoker** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:02 am

stearmandriver wrote:You have manuals with exploding parts? Or are they just exploding manuals? Coool!

Yeah, I was really hoping to build mine so that it DIDN'T explode, too...

Post by **boss429** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:16 pm

Your endless sarcasim gives me many seconds of joy.Since Im was searching for the "rail"and "orientation" and every other word other than "recouperator "your excellent post w/pic of the recouperater did not come up in my search. Thanks anyway

PvtJoker · Post by **PvtJoker** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:02 am

boss429 wrote:Your endless sarcasim gives me many seconds of joy.Since Im was searching for the "rail"and "orientation" and every other word other than "recouperator "your excellent post w/pic of the recouperater did not come up in my search. Thanks anyway

Hey, look Boss429, I gave a serious response about the rails a couple of messages up the thread, now didn't I? Besides, your serious question was given a serious answer even before that, and led to the rest of the discussion about rail placement. THAT led to Stearman's joke, and my "endless sarcasim (sic)" was joking around with HIM. Sorry, but I don't recall a little humor once in a while as being against the posted terms of use for the board.

If I'd had any malicious intent and wanted to get somebody mad, I'd have poked Striker754 with the "AW-SIM" stick!

Just kidding, Striker. I just spent the last half-hour wading through the 18-page debate over on the 1919A4 board. WoW! Now I see WHY my idea for a bump-fire type device for our SA-42 got the reaction it did. The one thing I never saw (so far) over there was the one obvious question: what modifications would it take to make an AW-SIM paddle move back and forth WITH the firearm so that it would remove ANY question of it being bump-fire vs. machinegun? And as far as patent law goes, as I understand it, a NEW patent can be applied for in the case of an improvement to an existing product. In other words, no one can manufacture a Akins device for the products he sells, but an IMPROVEMENT to an existing idea is submitable for a seperate patent, IIRC. Anyway, it would be worth researching back in my NOLO patent books to find the relevant code. That, or FindLaw.com might tell the tale. But I DO agree with you that the AW-SIM certainly COULD be construed as a machinegun, and it would be prudent to err on the side of caution to keep one's dance card from being full (amongst other things) in Club Fed for the next 10. Oops; there goes that sense of humor again. Oh well, that's why I chose "Pvt.Joker" for my screen name on 1919A4.com forums. That, and appearantly, their filter considers the "dago"in "Dagobert to be some kind of slur, instead of what it actually is- the name of the last King in the Merovingian dynasty of Southern France in the mid-700 AD era. (Grail legends are another hobby of mine)

*edit* I just finished that monster of a AW-SIM thread. I'm looking forward to seeing how it all comes out as well, and I agree with Brian. Even IF the AW-SIM product fails AS IS, perhaps it could be recalled and redesigned to incorporate changes to make it legal? Surely if we all put our heads together, we could figure out a LEGAL way to get a working bumpfire set-up, that IS a semi-auto?

Post by **boss429** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:15 pm

We're cool- I also participate in humor-unfortunatly the internet doesn't allow the face to face clues of when a persons joking or not...This is a great board and you do a great job!

none123 · Post by **none123** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:52 am

wile this is a bit off the topic of the post

dagobert wrote: I just spent the last half-hour wading through the 18-page debate over on the 1919A4 board. WoW! Now I see WHY my idea for a bump-fire type device for our SA-42 got the reaction it did. The one thing I never saw (so far) over there was the one obvious question: what modifications would it take to make an AW-SIM paddle move back and forth WITH the firearm so that it would remove ANY question of it being bump-fire vs. machinegun?

This trigger setup w/ two stationary "finger" stops. it's not mine I just found it on HGS yesterday

and so the post dosent totally go off topic here is a interior pic of brp rear I had handy