Looking for demilitarized MG42

[42rocker]

Myself, I would want it to work.

Later 42rocker

[Der Alder]

You might want to double check that. The person doing the photos for centerfire might not have done a great job on photographing everything. About the only thing that has been missing in the past was the rear receiver section. Of course the bipod as listed was missing.
Give them a call before you rule them out.
That said finding that rear receiver hunk is still hard.

Another place to try is

http://mg34.com/

I think that they offer a better deal altogether, the only thing missing is the barrel and a welder to weld everything up.

Later 42rocker

Just as an update to those interested...I emailed CF asking if the front parts that were not pictured were included with the kits they currently have and they informed me that yes they do include the FH, booster cone and bearing even though they weran't pictured. Always good to ask though......

[johnb593]

You might want to double check that. The person doing the photos for centerfire might not have done a great job on photographing everything. About the only thing that has been missing in the past was the rear receiver section. Of course the bipod as listed was missing.
Give them a call before you rule them out.
That said finding that rear receiver hunk is still hard.

Another place to try is

http://mg34.com/

I think that they offer a better deal altogether, the only thing missing is the barrel and a welder to weld everything up.

Later 42rocker

Just as an update to those interested...I emailed CF asking if the front parts that were not pictured were included with the kits they currently have and they informed me that yes they do include the FH, booster cone and bearing even though they weran't pictured. Always good to ask though......

That's good to know. Now all I have to do is make up my mind which way I want to go with this "project"!

John

[42rocker]

John
To me the best deal for you would be the yugo parts kit from

http://mg34.com/

It's complete (missing barrel, demilled barrels out there cheap) follow the rules weld it up and not have to hunt down anything else.

Someone just posted a Super nice German parts kit up for sale on this site. Check it out in the for sale section. Also complete. This one should be done with care and made into a shooter. Either semi or Full Auto (with correct paperwork).

Later 42rocker

[johnb593]

John
To me the best deal for you would be the yugo parts kit from

http://mg34.com/

It's complete (missing barrel, demilled barrels out there cheap) follow the rules weld it up and not have to hunt down anything else.

Someone just posted a Super nice German parts kit up for sale on this site. Check it out in the for sale section. Also complete. This one should be done with care and made into a shooter. Either semi or Full Auto (with correct paperwork).

Later 42rocker

I'm pretty sure the MG53 kit from MG34.com is the way I will go. I like the K.I.S.S. method and this looks like it would fill the bill although I sent them, AND the folks at CF, emails asking about their sets. Neither has replied so far.

[42rocker]

If (God knowns why) they have the same party doing the phone. Then well Good Luck..
Still best way to go I think, if all you want is a mockup for the wall. If you were going to build a shooter then you "can't" have an outside welder do the welding. If you are building a dummy then you can. The rule is that you are allowed to build something for your own use. You are "not" allowed to have someone else build it. Some folks have used a plastic pipe or wood dowel for the barrel. Myself I would look for a demilled (holes in barrel) barrel. Build it so you can take the barrel in and out.
Also I have been talking about US rules as you have not stated were you are from the rules might be different in your country.

Later 42rocker

[johnb593]

If (God knowns why) they have the same party doing the phone. Then well Good Luck..
Still best way to go I think, if all you want is a mockup for the wall. If you were going to build a shooter then you "can't" have an outside welder do the welding. If you are building a dummy then you can. The rule is that you are allowed to build something for your own use. You are "not" allowed to have someone else build it. Some folks have used a plastic pipe or wood dowel for the barrel. Myself I would look for a demilled (holes in barrel) barrel. Build it so you can take the barrel in and out.
Also I have been talking about US rules as you have not stated were you are from the rules might be different in your country.

Later 42rocker

Lots to consider. I'm in Louisiana so I don't THINK there would be any problems.

John

[JBaum]

It IS legal to have someone else weld a gun and sell it to you.

They just have to do the paperwork as the gun manufacturer, and pay the 11% tax for building a gun, then sell it to you after a record check and you pay sales tax.

[johnb593]

If (God knowns why) they have the same party doing the phone. Then well Good Luck..
Still best way to go I think, if all you want is a mockup for the wall. If you were going to build a shooter then you "can't" have an outside welder do the welding. If you are building a dummy then you can. The rule is that you are allowed to build something for your own use. You are "not" allowed to have someone else build it. Some folks have used a plastic pipe or wood dowel for the barrel. Myself I would look for a demilled (holes in barrel) barrel. Build it so you can take the barrel in and out.
Also I have been talking about US rules as you have not stated were you are from the rules might be different in your country.

Later 42rocker

Lots to consider. I'm in Louisiana so I don't THINK there would be any problems. Also, I find I had Centerfire Firearms and Centerfire Systems confused. Duh! The $600.0 price tag on the Centerfire Systems M53 looks pretty good.

John

[johnb593]

If (God knowns why) they have the same party doing the phone. Then well Good Luck..
Still best way to go I think, if all you want is a mockup for the wall. If you were going to build a shooter then you "can't" have an outside welder do the welding. If you are building a dummy then you can. The rule is that you are allowed to build something for your own use. You are "not" allowed to have someone else build it. Some folks have used a plastic pipe or wood dowel for the barrel. Myself I would look for a demilled (holes in barrel) barrel. Build it so you can take the barrel in and out.
Also I have been talking about US rules as you have not stated were you are from the rules might be different in your country.

Later 42rocker

Lots to consider. I'm in Louisiana so I don't THINK there would be any problems. Also, I find I had Centerfire Firearms and Centerfire Systems confused. Duh! The $600.0 price tag on the Centerfire Systems M53 looks pretty good. And it doesn't look like it would require any welding (which I can't do).

John

[42rocker]

John
Just remember that the Centerfire systems parts kit

http://centerfiresystems.com/KIT-M53-1.aspx

is completely cut up and missing the rear section of the receiver. The one from

http://mg34.com/M-53-Mg42-Spare-Parts-Set-p2/

Is at least complete (missing the barrel)

Normally the Centerfire kit is thought of as a great source of spare parts, At least it was till they raised the price to $600.

The only company out there selling a complete receiver - Welded - right now is brp

http://www.brpguns.com/mg42-semi-receiver-parts/

price is $1,400 and still needs work and more parts.

Good Luck

Later 42rocker

[johnb593]

John
Just remember that the Centerfire systems parts kit

http://centerfiresystems.com/KIT-M53-1.aspx

is completely cut up and missing the rear section of the receiver. The one from

http://mg34.com/M-53-Mg42-Spare-Parts-Set-p2/

Is at least complete (missing the barrel)

Normally the Centerfire kit is thought of as a great source of spare parts, At least it was till they raised the price to $600.

The only company out there selling a complete receiver - Welded - right now is brp


Hmmmmmm. Does that mean if I want a receiver that won't need some welding I'd have to get the BRP $1,400.00 one? Jeeze Louise. I wonder if I could find one somewhere else for a lesser price and that they'd weld it up for me as per JBaum's earlier post. This deal is getting more expesive every day.

Thanks,

John
http://www.brpguns.com/mg42-semi-receiver-parts/

price is $1,400 and still needs work and more parts.

Good Luck

Later 42rocker

[Oldrelic]

I just ran across Key Stone Arsenal , they currently have for sale a Welded Mg42 , with WWII German marks for a SALE price of $1,749.00. Regular price is $1,849.00.


Here is there Add ............

MG-42 Display Dummy Gun
MG-42 Dummy gun. WOW, these guns are beautiful. Made from surplus parts. This gun is full size and weight. Bipod included. Barrel is non-removable and the barrel changing latch has been welded as per ATFE Regulations. Sights flip up, cover opens to hold dummy ammo and belts. Ejection port door opens, trigger moves and stock is removable. Buttstock colors range from natural to medium brown to painted black. These guns have full NAZI markings, and are made from 8mm Mauser parts kits. These MG-42's have plastic Bakelite Grip panels. One Belt, one starter tab, and one assault drum are included. Accessories available on our "Miscellaneous" Page. A picture pack is available for download on our "Downloads" page. These guns are so beautiful you'll want to hang it on your Christmas tree.


Look under WWII Guns.

www.keystonearsenal.com

I hope this helps.

[42rocker]

Well that's an interesting website Thanks for sharing that site.
On the pic of the mg42 all I can say is that's an interesting looking butt stock. I think that before I spent that money I would want a few more detail pics of everything.

If I were building a dummy mg42 I think that I would find a welder and then buy the yugo $800 parts kit pay the welder $200 to $300 to weld it up, buy a demilled barrel (under $100). I would also drill another hole/slot (slot if you want cocking) in the barrel and add a plug to the barrel shroud area (blocker if you will) so that just demilled barrels can be installed. I think that I would also do the grinding and finishing work myself to save a few dollars.

My thoughts -- Good Luck

Later 42rocker

[johnb593]

Well that's an interesting website Thanks for sharing that site.
On the pic of the mg42 all I can say is that's an interesting looking butt stock. I think that before I spent that money I would want a few more detail pics of everything.

If I were building a dummy mg42 I think that I would find a welder and then buy the yugo $800 parts kit pay the welder $200 to $300 to weld it up, buy a demilled barrel (under $100). I would also drill another hole/slot (slot if you want cocking) in the barrel and add a plug to the barrel shroud area (blocker if you will) so that just demilled barrels can be installed. I think that I would also do the grinding and finishing work myself to save a few dollars.

My thoughts -- Good Luck

Later 42rocker

I sent Keystone a email asking if their MG42 repro is available without all the extra stuff but haven't had a reply yet. This would be one possibility for me although I can't really see spending $1,800.00.
I'll just have to sit back and do some considering on all this. Thanks guys for all your input!

John

[johnb593]

I just had a thought. If I wind up buying a cut 42 or 53 is there anyone on these forums that could (would) weld it up for me? Ya never know unless you ask. I'm considering getting the set from the MG34 site. Then I'd have to find a cut receiver and get it welded. At this point it doesn't look like I can afford a SA gun, just a dummy. Better than nothing I say even though a workable SA 53 would be great to have. But $1,400.00 bucks is just too friggin' much.

John

[JBaum]

ATF has a "regulation" about welding the barrel change door shut? I didn't know ATF had regulations for scrap steel.

[johnb593]

ATF has a "regulation" about welding the barrel change door shut? I didn't know ATF had regulations for scrap steel.

Hey John,
I got the booklet Friday PM. Looks like it can be quite a bit of help.

Thanks,

John

[johnb593]

Well, here's what I think I will do: Buy the set from MG34.com (Allegheny Arsenal) first. Then, as finances allow, I'll get the barrel and whatever other parts I'd need. If anything needs welding I'll just have to find someone to do it for me or pay out the butt for "already welded" stuff. Does this sound like a smart way to go to you guys?

Thanks!!!

John

[Oldrelic]

If you are going to make it Dummy Non-shooter , you really do not need to buy a barrel , unless you display it along side
your Non-Shooter, mabie in a Barrel carrier.

You won't need a lot of parts for your Dummy , like the Barrel Bushing, the Nozzle Cone , the Recuperator ect.

For my Non Shooter (as pictured to the beginning of this thread) I used a small diameter plastic
PVC pipe painted Black for the Barrel. As you will have your Barrel Change door welded closed anyway,
and will NOT have accsess to place a Dummy Barrel in or out of your gun as it was originaly made to do.

You can remove the 'Fake' Barrel by unthreading your Flash Hider nozzle and pulling it out from the front
of your gun.

For me, as a collector , and also in my case a re-enactor , I would much rather have a Dummy in my collection,
it is more Safe and accesable to handle and inspect with out worries of a accident. I am fascinated with
the German Guns of WWII. And I like to Handle them without worry of doing damage to a otherwise
expensive working MG, or myself, Not to mention that it is Illegal in my state to own a FULL AUTO ANYTHING !

So , in one sence, it is like having a Toy-Gun that is Real .... and legal , and it Looks Good on Display too , and SAFE.

Oldrelic