New Mainspring: Update

[mr. wipple]

As stated previously. Anyone hear anything? I would like to hear how the twelve test springs ran in other peoples SA 42.

[bolex]

Not a word from MGW LLC.

[blackreichswehr]

sdk1968 i belive you twist wire that way but, were not making chicken wire fence. to your question, what your asking about is the pitch angle look at your compression spring, see the coils, it's the measurement center to center on the coils.To wind that pitch first you need an arbor the i.d. of your spring , next you put it into the jaws of the lathe plus 2" of your braided wire, close the jaws down on both. Under tension the wire will feed to the arbor, using a gauge. there it is a spring-- now look at your stock spring , see the end coils those are inactive, notice there brazed togather and about 30% is ground flat- that is called closed & ground. When i get around to making mine i'll let you know the result, looking at 23 live and 2 inactive coils, if my math is right it will work. The more the coils the weaker the spring- my wife told me that, i don't understand her-LOL

[URAR1004]

Anyone on the board receive a Test Spring? Please, Give us un update. Has it been over a year yet?

[sdk1968]

sdk1968 i belive you twist wire that way but, were not making chicken wire fence. to your question, what your asking about is the pitch angle look at your compression spring, see the coils, it's the measurement center to center on the coils.To wind that pitch first you need an arbor the i.d. of your spring , next you put it into the jaws of the lathe plus 2" of your braided wire, close the jaws down on both. Under tension the wire will feed to the arbor, using a gauge. there it is a spring-- now look at your stock spring , see the end coils those are inactive, notice there brazed togather and about 30% is ground flat- that is called closed & ground. When i get around to making mine i'll let you know the result, looking at 23 live and 2 inactive coils, if my math is right it will work. The more the coils the weaker the spring- my wife told me that, i don't understand her-LOL

aha!! now your telling me something.... thank you.

yes i know very little about springs: i call and order them from a spring making company quite often and they send them.

thanks for the info im looking forward to hearing your progress.

oh and no we dont make chickenwire this way, we actually make tension chokers this way. but a good guess anyway.

its all good. thanks for kidding around with me.

now to the question that keeps getting asked a million times: about those test springs..... ok no one wants to say anything, some searching in this thread tells you that there may be a bit of a snag in that department from the thread originator. and thats all im saying on that. interesting read.

[Pirate]

If some one realy wanted to make this happen all you need to do is send a sample of an uncut spring along with a description of what you want to jones spring /springsfast.com and for a few bucks a piece you wil have them in a couple of weeks.

this is not rocket science fellas!

[sdk1968]

shhhhhhhhhh!! your gonna ruin my conversation Pirate!!

your giving the secrets away... LOL how in the world can anyone sell these for $15 each when your telling them how to get them for $14.99?

[blackreichswehr]

thank you pirate for speaking up , i tried to express that in my first post to the goings on here . the former and current post of head hunting are none of my affair and don't include me. I just like making my own springs because i can. anyone that takes pirates advice, there will be some questions asked by the company you deal with because they will approach it like rocket sciense. because the diameter of the wire times the #of the coils cannot be greater than the the space allowed. tell them the length you have from bolt ex. to buffer face. they may what the weight of the bolt to run in their cals. pirate is correct and probably close on the turn around, once they run the figures, a person on the floor will hand wind them.

[Pirate]

my bullshitometer blew off the scale on this one a long time ago. I am not an engineer or rocket scientist but know that
getting a shorted spring of the same duty is not hard. I have gotten custom springs from springsfast, they are the experts and like you said they will ask a few questions and make you what you want.

blackreichswehr you obviously have the experience and equipment to make a spring, and are getting bullshitometer alarms also. but for most of the members here the time and $$$ involved to make one or 2 it isn't practical. personally I just bought a couple of new ones and cut them. if your gun is properly built and functioning it should work just fine.

[blackreichswehr]

prirate, your right major spring companies will charge for each step to completion, cost prohibitive. your also right about the stock spring, cutting it down to size. the only thing thats important to the springs design is to match the closed& ground ends - all compressions designed to this spec must have 2 inactive coils, the sudden significant load that travels down the spring will have to terminate there, not at the end of a hang nail coil. The m53 compression spring is indexed well ,almost over built if there is such a thing- it was made for longevity but that is a term a spring manufacture never uses.I'm going to make a srping just to see if there is any improvement to function, I doubt there be none.

[Bil]

That is good info,and the first I remember hearing obot it.I had left the uncut end against the bolt,where it fit best.But I had the cut end toward the rear,and I admit I wondered if it would have to be flattened.I was worried about it 'cocking' the spring off to one side,not thinking of the force.I will have to take that into account.Thanks for the info! ---bil

[RaccoonRough]

I dont think that its head hunting this time.
I too am very curious.....has anyone tested these springs.

RR

[mr. wipple]

I am not head hunting. I just haven't seen or heard anything on this subject. I appreciate the information on how to make my own springs but am more curious on the whereabouts of the test springs.

[SHARPSSHOOTER5090]

I'm not even going to ask about the test springs!!!! Just keep my MOUTH SHUT

[blackreichswehr]

this will be my last post to this subject--- made a phone call to ARSC SPRING were i get my wire and talked with them about the spring issue here , they faxed this back, this is about cutting the stock spring down. Altering the design of the spring will have a defined operational effect. Elasticity is altered and deflection of individual coils will not be the same. When the spring takes on load the coils enlarge. the end without the inactive coil, the spring will fish tail wildly, the coils become egg shaped and the spring can not acheive solid, there will be momentary recoil loss as the spring reverses the applied force. this will happen so fast it will not be noticed. With continued use, stress will cause the spring to under perform and allow the spring to take on a foreign form. I gave them the free length for a new spring + wire dia.,I.D. O.D., Right Helix, braided coil,plain finish.They shot me price to design one spring, can't tell you the price because it had an expressed property disclosure. To do it as a group like PIRATE mentioned it will be fair price and once you have it, you will have a ref. # and get them at any time with a phone call. My last two cents, i expected the bad feed from them on the cut down spring but, I tend to agree with PIRATE , just cut em down but close and square the ends. CHEERS

[sdk1968]

thats very cool of you!

if you do follow up on this and go thru with getting them made just for the hell of it.....

i'll buy 2.

no BS, no maybes, just say when.

even without really "having to have it", cause usually im buying something from everybody who sells stuff in this hobby.

[blackreichswehr]

sdk 1968 i'm not doing anything ----- thats up to you . i make my own stuff . you take the lead, just get on the horn W/ who ever whats to join you . I'm 58 years old and operate my const. & rigging business ,i ain't got time ordering springs, you can get them yourself. remember what PRIRATE said, it ain't rocket science---END OF STORY

[Pirate]

rumor has it that the springs are at Area 51 for testing.

As far as the cut end goes you can leave your spring a little long and heat a spot on the cut end and bend it closed., then silver braze it.

one thing a lot of people do not realize is that some parts you have may either be no good or not compatable. the first batches of kits were a complete set of parts, but not from one working gun. that in its self can create operating problems. I think the yugo kits are the best way to go because you are getting (hopfully) a set of parts from a working gun. there is a lot going on when you fire a round and everything needs to work properly.

[sdk1968]

sdk 1968 i'm not doing anything ----- thats up to you . i make my own stuff . you take the lead, just get on the horn W/ who ever whats to join you . I'm 58 years old and operate my const. & rigging business ,i ain't got time ordering springs, you can get them yourself. remember what PRIRATE said, it ain't rocket science---END OF STORY

we've all got jobs and family's....... nothing new there. thanks for the info you provided maybe one of the members here will pick this up and go with it.

ive recently just fronted 100 sets of sten springs for everyone that wanted them.

so it would be someone else who gets to front this one, but if they want to take the information that you were kind enough to supply that is very cool.

as you mentioned several times: its not rocket science and mines working perfectly with Pirates parts & know how.

[URAR1004]

If some one realy wanted to make this happen all you need to do is send a sample of an uncut spring along with a description of what you want to jones spring /springsfast.com and for a few bucks a piece you wil have them in a couple of weeks.

this is not rocket science fellas!

MGW LLC , Take some Advice from Pirate!

Get it done or give everyone their money back!