RKI: Anyone With Experience Using OOW MG34 .308 Conversion?
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RKI: Anyone With Experience Using OOW MG34 .308 Conversion?
Does anyone out there have experience getting the Ohio Ordnance Works MG34 .308 conversion kit to work in a FA MG34. They haven't marketed these in years, but they consist of a.308 barrel, .308 belt, special booster, shortened feed tray, and reworked feed pawls. All the parts install nicely with no slop. I got the kit on eGhey back in the day and only tried it once. It would not run. Just after I started to work the bugs out, cheap Romanian 8mm started to come in and I just used that. Well, my stock of Romanian is starting to run out and now is the time to get the OOW kit to run.
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Re: RKI: Anyone With Experience Using OOW MG34 .308 Conversi
Yeah, I bought all those parts from Bob back in, like, 2006 or so. My main issue was with the actual .308 BBL he supplied, the chamber dimensionality was cut to SAAMI cartridge specs, which wasn't a very good option when running all the various foreign NATO surplus M80-type ball fodder.
I kind of had the same experience you had initially, though it was fairly obvious the chamber was an issue, but I tend to think still that the OOW supplied BBLS were also overweight, considerably, even for the correct 7.62NATO BBL weights which are known to work well (Norwegian issue is still the best). I was almost through making a new BBL chambered with a custom Clymer reamer in the correct 7.62NATO dimensional parameters and contoured to the Norwegian profile, when Folke came up with another few of his original Norwegian surplus 7.62NATO BBLs, at which point I bought several from him then and there and all was fine. I still use the OOW-modified feed block and tray, though it is, to be fair, a hack job compared to the BRP version which only requires a modified front depressor which is a WAAAAAAAY better method.
I think you can get a workable combination if you do either-
1. re-profile the OOW supplied BBL to match a known profile(weight) that is known to work, i.e, similar to the Norwegian conversion BBLs, and then run a finishing reamer back in the chamber (proper 7.62NATO reamer) to re-throat the leade.
2. Pick up one of the newer conversion BBLs that BRP(Poling) is making and use that.
3. Alternately, you could try and get one of the 3-4 people who grabbed all the original Norwegian BBLs from Folke to part with one. ;-)
It really isn't too hard of a problem to solve, as long as you are confident the modified feedblock and tray are not giving you any presentation issues as they exist now; If they are presenting and feeding the shorter cartridges satisfactorily now, then all you really have to do is achieve a dynamic energy balance, which is likely centered on these overweight BBLs needing to be relieved in profile to lose some mass to match the available energies. Caution- DO NOT go trying to restrict the booster nozzle orifice below ~9.0mm, that is NOT the problem......if you increase the dynamic system recoiling energies on the front end, remember, they have to accounted for on the back end, and the stock MG34 buffer system is NOT designed for dealing with excess energy, over and above the std 8mm original wartime BBL mass and velocity it was designed to be accelerated (and thus DECELERATED) at. Your goal should be to match the accelerated mass energies of the std 8mm set-up while shooting the sharper recoiling NATO round, that means the NATO caliber BBL mass will need to be made to give that harmony. It can take a bit of experimenting.
-TomH
I kind of had the same experience you had initially, though it was fairly obvious the chamber was an issue, but I tend to think still that the OOW supplied BBLS were also overweight, considerably, even for the correct 7.62NATO BBL weights which are known to work well (Norwegian issue is still the best). I was almost through making a new BBL chambered with a custom Clymer reamer in the correct 7.62NATO dimensional parameters and contoured to the Norwegian profile, when Folke came up with another few of his original Norwegian surplus 7.62NATO BBLs, at which point I bought several from him then and there and all was fine. I still use the OOW-modified feed block and tray, though it is, to be fair, a hack job compared to the BRP version which only requires a modified front depressor which is a WAAAAAAAY better method.
I think you can get a workable combination if you do either-
1. re-profile the OOW supplied BBL to match a known profile(weight) that is known to work, i.e, similar to the Norwegian conversion BBLs, and then run a finishing reamer back in the chamber (proper 7.62NATO reamer) to re-throat the leade.
2. Pick up one of the newer conversion BBLs that BRP(Poling) is making and use that.
3. Alternately, you could try and get one of the 3-4 people who grabbed all the original Norwegian BBLs from Folke to part with one. ;-)
It really isn't too hard of a problem to solve, as long as you are confident the modified feedblock and tray are not giving you any presentation issues as they exist now; If they are presenting and feeding the shorter cartridges satisfactorily now, then all you really have to do is achieve a dynamic energy balance, which is likely centered on these overweight BBLs needing to be relieved in profile to lose some mass to match the available energies. Caution- DO NOT go trying to restrict the booster nozzle orifice below ~9.0mm, that is NOT the problem......if you increase the dynamic system recoiling energies on the front end, remember, they have to accounted for on the back end, and the stock MG34 buffer system is NOT designed for dealing with excess energy, over and above the std 8mm original wartime BBL mass and velocity it was designed to be accelerated (and thus DECELERATED) at. Your goal should be to match the accelerated mass energies of the std 8mm set-up while shooting the sharper recoiling NATO round, that means the NATO caliber BBL mass will need to be made to give that harmony. It can take a bit of experimenting.
-TomH
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Re: RKI: Anyone With Experience Using OOW MG34 .308 Conversi
TactAdv wrote: 1. re-profile the OOW supplied BBL to match a known profile(weight) that is known to work, i.e, similar to the Norwegian conversion BBLs, and then run a finishing reamer back in the chamber (proper 7.62NATO reamer) to re-throat the leade.
As I already have two of the OOW barrels and it would be more cost efficient for me to work on them first. By any chance do you have the dimensions and/or weight of the BRP profiled barrel?
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Re: RKI: Anyone With Experience Using OOW MG34 .308 Conversion?
I purchased my 308 MG34 conversion many years ago and I can't remember where I got it from. I haven't fired it for years but remember it seemed worked OK. I also remember I never fired many rounds through it. Can anyone help me out and let me know if my conversion kit is OK to shoot. The outside of the 308 barrel looks like the same dimensions as the original 8mm barrel. The feed plate was cut in the middle and shortened then welded back together. The Booster cone has a hole size under 9mm and the feed pawl appears to be welded longer with tool marks showing.