BRP CORP 100% MG42 RECEIVERS

[Mechwarrior]

I CAN GET WHOEVER WANTS ONE A BETTER THEN ADVERTISED PRICE.............GUARANTEED!!!

FOR THE FIRST TIME YEARS..............EVERYONE HAS WAITED SO LONG FOR THIS............HERE THEY ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!! LIMITED, AND I WAS CONTACTED BY BRIAN HIMSELF, I CAN SAVE YOU SOME MONEY ON THESE!!!!

http://www.brpguns.com/products/MG42-Se ... ed%29.html

The savings is higher on a group buy, but, even if you just want to by one, i can STILL save you $$$$'s on these!!!!

NO JOKE

PASS IT ON AND CONTACT ME IF INTERESTED.

THESE ARE VERY LIMITED!!!!!!!!!

[Mechwarrior]

WOW. Is this site dead?

OKAY! Here is the deal, there are 2 ways to play this. Either way you come out ahead!

I can set up a group buy, and each member of the group saves $150.00 PLUS gets free shipping to your FFL holder of choice!

Option #2, simply call Brian at BRP, tell him "Mech Warrior sent me for the deal", and he will give you $75.00 off of the listed price PLUS free shipping to the FFL holder of your choice.

Whichever way you guys want to go, you save.

PEOPLE HAVE WAITED YEARS FOR THESE TO BE AVALIABLE!!!!!!!

When i was contacted, i was blown back because, i was told more then once, he was not making anymore. I guess my pestering paid off!

If some of you guys want to do the group thing, great! Let me know and i will track it and send him the info.

If some of you just have to have it NOW! (like someone else i know, LOL), then just call, tell him i sent you for the deal.


As far as what is left to finish, it is on his site. 1) carve the "step" for the semi auto blocker. 2) Make the clearance cuts for the buffer. 3) Make the cut for the charging handle.

There is other minor things but those are the "big things". I have done all of those things with my dremel and grinders. I did a tutorial from start to finish with simple tools. Since then, Brian has taken a liking to me. If you guys want to view the tutorial, i can post a link.

Let me know either way you decide to go please! Hope it helps someof you guys out there!

[Mechwarrior]

Here is the coupon code for those that do not want to do a group buy. I will paste it as it was emailed to me. The group buy saves $150.00 and gets free shipping. But, if you want to buy it now on your own, you can still save $75.00 and get free shipping;

Marty,

For those who don't want to wait for the group buy and just want the $75 off and free ship, I setup a coupon code for $75 off of the receiver.

Coupon Code: mechwarrior

Cart Items Qty Item Price Item Total Subtotal: $1,400.00 Coupon (mechwarrior):
-$75.00
Grand Total: $1,325.00

They just need to email or fax an FFL to accompany the order.



Best Regards,

Brian Poling
BRP CORP

[Blanksguy]

Maybe "Brian" could come up with a way to knock down the amount of machining that would be done to one example to allow it to be an 80% receiver that would not require the use (and extra costs) of an FFL (?)........with a slightly less cost.....and no FFL charge for an 80% receiver that would ship directly to the buyer, Brian would sell more of these I would guess (?).

What would the "Board-Buyers" think of an option like an 80% receiver that is welded together, but requiring more machining (?).

Regards, RichardS in MI.
US Army, Retired
Blanksguy2001@chartermi.net

[Mechwarrior]

I could ask him if he is interested in doing something like that. Fact is, A LOT of people think that they can make the system work, but do not fully understand it or the mechanics. 1 wrong measurement affects the entire system.

This receiver is more for those that do not have the patience for ALL of the work, or strong welding skills. The rivet holes are already drilled properly, ect. More info on His site.

All i am doing, is offering a discount to those who are going to buy them anyway.

[Mechwarrior]

In most cases i have had to do a transfer, it cost me $25.00 and the background check fee. If it is more then that, i would shop around.

[Blanksguy]

Mechwarrior,

You hit part of the nail on the head.......
......some do not have machining-skills.......
.........."but" others do have machining-skills but lack the skills to "TIG-Weld" the quarter-sections that BRP builds the receivers from.

Again, (please pass this by "Brian")......I believe that he would have a better chance of selling more (with/without a "Group-Buy"), by just allowing other options.
As the process as I know it.......the receiver-quarters are welded together, "then" the machining starts........correct (?).
Shortly after they get to this point in the manufacturing-process (with some selected machinging done), several could be pulled from the assembly-line (again, these are made in small-batches not on a "line" like cars), and sold as 80% receivers to those that want them at a slightly lesser price, and have the machining-skills. It would be a win-win situation at this point as some people want to make "Gas-Guns", "display/non-firing-guns, or want to save a little doing their own machine-work.

NOTE: That would also be without the BRP-Corp engraving on the left-rear of the 80% receiver.

Regards, RichardS in MI.
US Army, Retired
Blanksguy2001@chartermi.net

[Mechwarrior]

I completely understand what you're saying. My understanding of it is this, once the 2 rear halves are welded together, it becomes a receiver, with or without anything else being done to it. I could be wrong about that, but thats how i understood it to be when i built mine. that was why, before i cut out anything, i first put the semi auto blocking bar in, then i moved on to the rest of the operations.

I will ask him to be sure on this. But, if that is the case, he would have to do a bare bones welded sample to submit to the BATF for approval.

Now you got me thinking Blanksguy! I actually did the machining first on mine because i had to do it by hand, which meant i needed to access the inside with a dremel for the buffer clearance cuts.

I will run your suggestion by him and see what he thinks about it, it is NOT a bad idea brother! Far from it! If the cost is down, the sales increase. Simple. BUT,if what i say is true, it won't help!

I will post a reply as soon as it comes.

[www.Prussia.us]

First, Marty thanks for your yeoman's work on this;

Second, BlanksGuy you bring up a great point. For instance look at the ColdSteel Solutions "80%" receiver (assume our example is in spec) vs. the old rear WiseLite rear receiver requiring an FFL, aside from the ColdSteel being $400 cheaper it only required some light machining but otherwise pretty close to the WLA rear -(in theory).

Personally I am still bitter we got shut down on the nascent group buy of new Mg42 receivers that were complete like BRP's, BUT only $250 or so EACH from that guy on the 1919a4 site; he did everything the Revenuers claimed they wanted but Tech Branch kept being problematic. I do not know what the politics were but you can imagine how many more semi-M53/Mg42's there would be out there if you received a full stamped receiver for ONLY $200-$300 instead of $1400.

Nonetheless forgive my crying over spilled milk, you did well Marty

[Mechwarrior]

Thank you for the kind words. I am assuming you saw my work. I wanted one for 10+years before the planets finally aligned for me! All i can say is, desperate times call for desperate measures!
If i would have had a vertical end mill, heck ya i would have used it! But, since i did not, i had to get creative. I am the type of person that, once i get an idea in my head, i will do whatever it takes to make it work! I am just stubborn like that.

I do hear ya, if the price was more affordable, there would be NO more kits around to build!

I have sent him a message about this idea, as soon as i get a responce, i will post.

Thank you again! That comment made me feel good.

Marty

[Mechwarrior]

I emailed Brian last night, he responded. I also talked with him on the phone earlier today. Here is the email he sent me. Keep the "intent" clause in mind.

Marty,

I know transferring through an FFL adds expense and complexity to the transaction. However, selling assembled sheet metal as a serialized firearm is safer with respect to compliance for both BRP and our customers.... and it's what our lawyer advised.

At the time we started making MG42 semi autos in 2000, numerous parts sellers and individuals were being prosecuted for 'conspiracy' to manufacture & transfer firearms in violation of GCA 68 & NFA. This consideration is especially important when dealing with semi-auto receivers for a gun that was originally designed as machinegun and involves converting original full-auto parts to a semi-auto-only configuration. I'm sure a lot of us remember all of the trouble people got into with Sten kits and Catco tubes. Even though the intent may not have been to violate the law, the appearance of a possible 'conspiracy' caused problems for a lot of builders.

I would certainly be open to any suggestions for modifying our semi-auto receiver to a non-gun pattern. However, I'd have to send a sample to FTB for a determination prior to actually selling them.

Best Regards,

Brian Poling
BRP CORP

During our discussion, i brought up the fact that a "blocker" NEEDS to be installed. The problem with a dummy gun or replica, is that it would have to be made in such a way that it could NOT be made to function with real parts. Period. The 80% terminoligy used is for marketing purposes. There is no law that states 80%.

I believe that a non receiver could be conceived and submitted for determination from FTB.

We also discussed the possibility of a welded rear only type thing to get the cost down, but, again, that would have to be sold through an FFL until a sample could be approved.

[Mechwarrior]

If anyone has an idea about how to do this, and you would like me to suggest it to him, PLEASE do so! We can ALL help EVERYONE, if we share ideas and voice our opinions.

In a little bit, there is a possibility of doing a lower cost group purchase on the front end welded + an un-welded rear. We discussed many options about me doing Group purchases and LOWER COSTS.

If this is of interest to you guys, let me know what you would like to see, and i will see what i can do!!!! I have a good reputation and relationship with BRP.

Thanks again PRUSSIA!!!! I googled yeoman.

Marty

[Blanksguy]

Fairly simple......
Look as to what others have made and are selling as 80% receivers........make up the item to be submitted to BATF.....then ship it to the NFA Tech. Branch for determination.

Basically now, it seems more like someone has made more 100% receivers than they can sell (posibly someone trying to push a "Groooop" Deal here-?)........but either way, he will be able to sell more with the 80% receivers (at a lower price) and a submission to BATF NFA Tech. Branch will take a little time which doesn't start until the submission is received at BATF.

Proper/straight "TIG" welding seems to be a challange for a lot of Board-Members.
If "Brian" submits a welded receiver without trigger-group/ejection-port-slot, etc. machined/punched-out......it should pass BATF NFA Tech. Branch as an 80% or less receiver.............just the four-quarters that he stamps out, TIG welded together as an entire unit (with the front barrel-support welded in.....and the ratchet-plate correctly welded on) and then welds ground-down to insure no pockets in the welding......all very simple. It doesn't have to have the Trunion/"Cam-Piece"-holes-cut-out .
He might even be able to install the Barrel-stop/rear-weapon-mounting-block/rear-sight-bracket.........I don't believe that these would take it past the less-than-80%-point.
It mostly concerns the rear part of the receiver.......no holes for the trigger-group.......no holes for the ejection-slot.........no work done on the charging-handle-slot......and no engraving at the left-rear of the 80% receiver.

Look at the current AK-47(AKM) series 80% receivers being sold.......with rails and ejectors welded in..........dimples on sides and mag-well.......just magwell not completely machined and no holes drilled for FCG.

Like anything........he will have to ask and make a submission to BATF for determination .

Regards, RichardS in MI.
US Army, Retired.
Blanksguy2001@chartermi.net

[Mechwarrior]

Group Buy is now ended! Coupon code should be good till Tuesday.

[Blanksguy]

Mechwarrior,

What was the reply from Brian at BRP-Corp on my above information (?).

I guess we won't know until he tries with a submission to BATF Tech. Branch (?)........or (?).

Regards, RichardS in MI.
US Army, Retired
Blanksguy2001@chartermi.net

[fritsch]

I really like the idea of a receiver that already has all the welding done, but is missing a lot of the machining. Here's the kicker though. What about just calling it a firearm? Let BRP put their stamp on it, FFL, whole nine yards.That seams to be what BRP is afraid of, selling something that's deemed a "firearm" without stamps. I'd rather just transfer the damn thing, and be able to buy a receiver with all the welding and no machining for $700 or something. Our other option is a "completed" one for $1400, and we can see how fast they're selling. Is this making sense to anyone else or have I gotten into the glue again?



p.s. And welding a blocker in to cover their butts, too.

[Blanksguy]

fritsch,

To answer your questions.....
By keeping it an 80% receiver (instead of a "firearm"), individuals would have options as to the markings at the left-rear of the receiver. They can have WWII style markings engraved.

Also, those that know how to "machine" would have the option to save some money by purchasing an 80% receiver and then doing the machining themselves.

Those that want a completed "firearm", can order a "firearm" (100% receiver) through Brian at BRP-Corp..........the rest of us would like some "options", and the possibility of saving some money.

I believe that if other companies can submit their 80% product to BATF Tech. Branch and have it approved, then BRP Corp could do the same "if" they wanted to sell 80% receivers to those of us that want to finish their semi-only project or display non-gun...........some of us just can't TIG-weld.

Regards, RichardS in MI.
US Army, Retired
Blanksguy2001@chartermi.net

[Mechwarrior]

Guys, he is considering other options. Right now he is busy with other things but all of this did get him thinking. Not sure which type of options he is considering but, i like the 80% idea if it saves some $$'s. Right now, everyone is looking for a deal or needing cash. This economy is not in the greatest shape to plunk down large amount's of cash.

I will keep you all informed as i get the info. I myself would love to build a gas gun out of 1 of those cheaper kits just for static display but that makes noise!

Fritsch, you may be onto something there. One of the problems when selling any product is liability. And more so with firearms.

Blanksguy, he is thinking about several options. You have him thinking! That is a good sign, as, in my humble opinion, he is "the man" on these. Very informative as well as excellent parts!

[Woodey]

+1 on the 80%

[PortHolio]

I would settle for one with the buffer cutout, and the charging handle slot machined, through an FFL.

I don't have a mill for those, and everything else is Dremel-city.

Last I checked, there was no such thing as a 80% receiver...it's either 0%, or a 100% FFL item. As long as it's an FFL transfer, might as well finish the harder machining steps, and leave just the easy MIG & Dremel steps.

PH