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WHY I’VE DECIDED TO VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRATS


*I'm voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would.

*I'm voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.

*I'm voting Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq I trust that the bad guys will stop what they're doing because they now think we're good people.

*I'm voting Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday CAN tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius.

*I'm voting Democrat because I'm not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies so long as we keep all death row inmates alive.

*I'm voting Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution as THEY see fit.

*I'm voting Democrat because I believe three or four pointy headed elitist liberals need to rewrite the Constitution every few days to suit some fringe kooks who would NEVER get their agendas past the voters.

*I'm voting Democrat because I believe that when the terrorists don't have to hide from us over there, they’ll come over here, and I don't want to have any guns in the house to shoot them with.

*I'm voting Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want. I've decided to marry my horse.

*I'm voting Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn't.


Makes you wonder why anyone would EVER vote Republican, now doesn't it? 8) 8) 8) 8)

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I'm not voting Republican because I finally got sick and tired of believing their empty promises and watching them turn against the core beliefs of the Republican party and betray their supporters.

I'm a Conservative.

I believe in self reliance.

I believe in independence and freedom to make myself and assist others in being successful.

I believe supporting freedom is a higher priority than security. Freedom makes security possible.

I believe in intelligent (not emotional) approach to environmental conservation is how we should comport ourselves, not wild unproven theories that only enrich government and con artists like Al Gore and his cronies.

I believe I have the ability to judge how best to spend my hard earned money for myself and my family and can serve my interests far better than any disinterested and unaccountable politician. Freedom enriches not only ourselves, but it allows others to benefit as well.

These beliefs are given lip service in the Republican Party. That is why I am not a Republican.

I am a Conservative.
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Im a pessimist. They are gonna get richer I will stay the same
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I'm Canadian, i watch you from up north squabbling about your government.

:lol: , just kidding
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I too am a conservative first, republican second. While the Republicans havent been as conservative as I would like them to be, we CANNOT allow B. Hussein Obama to win by default due to the base staying home. If anybody here is old enough to recall the Carter years (I was 12 when the Iran Hostage situation was going on) a Pres Obama would make those times seem like heaven by comparison.
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Amen, DA

However as a rightwing-secular conservative, I think we need to round up the religious-zealots in the GOP and the bleeding heart liberals of the DNC and send them to re-education camps, Stalin-styled re-education camps :lol:

Both have perverted what the Founding Fathers-(products of The Age of Enlightenment), began 232 years ago.
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www.Prussia.us wrote:Amen, DA

However as a rightwing-secular conservative, I think we need to round up the religious-zealots in the GOP and the bleeding heart liberals of the DNC and send them to re-education camps, Stalin-styled re-education camps :lol:

Both have perverted what the Founding Fathers-(products of The Age of Enlightenment), began 232 years ago.
OK, my curiosity is peaked. Exactly how have the liberal bleeding hearts and the conservative religious zealots "perverted" what the founders intended?

(My question is not meant to be confrontational -- I'd just like specifics on what you mean. I'm probably going to be in agreement with you on some of the points I expect you to make, but I believe that the perversions come not just from the two groups mentioned, but from every direction--left, right, up, and down. Anybody and everybody that has an axe to grind or a position to push strives to put their own spin on the sacred document. Fortunately, nobody has managed to change the wording of the constitution, only the interpretation. So far.)

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Fair question, I will try not to make too many enemies and so as not to elucidate beyond the bandwidth allowed by Salt and our server I will limit to a few examples building on the plain language of the Bill of Rights and the concepts from extraneous writings of the time such as the Federalist Papers, Thomas Paine, etc.

Perversion by Bleeding Hearts:
Crime and punishment- the prevention of cruel and “unusual punishment” was meant to thwart grotesque violations that occurred under the English crown and historic abuses. So while the founding fathers may think lopping off a hand of a thief was excessive (personally I do not if it is grand larceny), this clause was never meant to prevent lethal injection, firing squad, hanging, etc. to scumbag miscreant murderers, like the bleeding hearts would have us believe.

Gun rights- Finally just settled (sort-of) by the US Supreme Court. Bleeding hearts consistently fought for years claiming that the 2nd amendment only applied to Militias.

Under the 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendments the liberal Warren Court in the 1960s greatly set in motion the expanding rights of criminals, 1000 page Hornbooks cover this, I cannot in a few paragraphs and do it justice. These are topics relative to issues like “search and seizure” or the “rights to confront the accuser”-to the point where if a child is afraid of being put in front of a serial molester in a courtroom, then the testimony of the child is thrown out.


Religious Zealots:
While belief in a central spiritual authority is good insofar as it connects one to a moral grounding, when it infects public policy corroding it into a theocracy there is a problem.

First, though relevant, I will purposefully abstain from comment on the women’s rights/abortion issue because it is inflames too many passions.

Religious nuts (especially the Catholic church) stand in the way of the enforcement of our Constitution: fighting Capital Punishment, encouraging Illegal Immigration, and exhorting medical staff not to issue birth control. This is religious dogma from an extra-governmental source trying to influence public policy.

My hobby horse is embryonic stem cell research. Supported by conservative giants like Senator Orin Hatch, the Reagans, the man Bush appointed to head the National Institutes of Health, and a majority of the population, it is treasonous not to found research that holds the potential lifesaving or life-improving cures that could help at least 50 millions US citizens.

So religious zealots fight it, thus refusing to essentially fund cures, they then fight euthanasia which would at least grant the option for people suffering to willingly extricate themselves from their horrid lot, so obviously they sadistically revel in the suffering of the afflicted. Not wanting them cured, and not wanting them liberated, these religious nuts are in fact sadists. Zyklon B is an excellent medication for sadists.
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www.Prussia.us, I agree with you on most points, but I must point out that I am Roman Catholic. Those that favor abortion wish to take the abortion issue into our schools and ito the political arena, but I for one do not. Anti-abortion "zealots" as you say have been guilty of some crimes by violating the rights of others, in similar numbers of environmentalist whckos have done damage to mink farms because they think it's cruel to raise minks for fur instead of the alternative which is to hunt wild minks to extinction by abolishing the farms.

The question that should be raised is where do the religious ideals stop and secular ideals beguin when making political decisions? That line will aways be determined by those making the decisions, and indirectly by those voting persons holding a set of certain ideals into polticial office. Debates on each topic will be battled, and the outcome SHOULD reflect the majority.

Battling teen pregnancy:
I understand that you think condom issue in schools is a partial solution to teen pregnancy. I submit to you that it is just a band-aid. The root cause is lack of parental guidance and teaching at home. (And we are not talking absolutes.. there shall ALWAYS be SOME teenage pregnancy). Unfortunately, you cannot legislate morality within the home. To do so WOULD be the theocracy you fear. By our very nature as free people, everyone must CHOOSE how to guide our children in moral lifestyles, and as you well know, many choose NOT to teach their children why promiscuity lead to family and financial hardship. Catholics are not advocating puritanism, but also they are not of the belief that allowing misbehavior (unprotected sex prior to marriage in this example) will lead to as large a reduction in teen pregnancy as advocating to parents the need to provide better guuidance to teens so they do not CHOOSE to be promiscuous. Yes, it all depends on whether or not the parents take the responsibility to hel prevent teens from making mistakes involving sex, and as we all know, responsibility must be TAKEN, it can never be FORCED upon anyone. We face a crisis of CULTURE, the likes of which originate in HOW WE THINK as Americans, when it comes to what is considered acceptable. Bottom line is, there is no cut and dried answer. You cannot force the hearts of Americans to assume responsible values.

As for stem cell research:
Other methods ARE being devised to utilize stem cells from OTHER course than undeveloped fetuses, such that we do not HAVE to take a step closer to using organic tissue which may be interpreted as a living being. I believe that your fear of our country disintegrating into a freedomless theocracy (E.G. Iran under Khomeini) is as ridiculous as saying that using stemcells from fetuses will automatically lead to our scientists starting a eugenics program. So, as you can see, this Catholic is not a religious nut. And most are not. People such as yourself often cannot distinguish between moral conviction and fascism, since they believe that ANYONE with such strong ideas on how to live is BOUND AND DETERMINED to foist those beliefs on others. Yeah, there are few out there that try, but Catholics take up the position that they themselves should not be FORCED to have their tax dollars spent on an endeavor they believe harms what they define as LIFE (fetuses in whatever form) because they hold that sacred. Whenever TAX MONEY is used to sponsor an activity which violates religious views without allowing those to opt out of supporting that activity with their money, it is not representative of the people, and the activity should NOT be part of governmental mandate. As far as government goes, it should be a NONISSUE. This is actually an extension of seperation of church and state.

Regarding illegal immigration:
I and dead set against it, and this is not a Catholic or religious issue. If we do not control our borders such that we prevent foreign criminals easy access to our country, we will naturally experience a huge crime wave, with all the burdons, justice system expenses, a suffering and death of our citizens it brings. If we do NOT control our borders, we will bring destruction from criminals down upon ourselves. It has occured to me to grab an AK-47 and join the minutemen down south, using force of arms to defend our borders, regardless of whether or not the political system considers it legal of not. No society can keep its identity and maintain law without border control.

As for capital punishment:
I as a Catholic have not beed faced with the decision to take another's life, criminal or otherwise, but fully understand that capital punishment is necessary to provide the ultimate punishment for the ultimate crimes. Some people just cannot be fixed. They are broken and are a danger to the rest of us. And there are not enough jails to seperate them from us. The line where imprisonment ends and capital punishment begins must be determjined by the majority of the people, in accordance with American tradition.
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DA,

I am glad you think independently rather than taking in the dictates from the Vatican, but as you know from the news especially (cardinal Mahoney in Las Angles) the catholic line, and Mormon, and some evangelical is pro-illegal immigration, which is supported by our pope.

If you read my rant carefully, you would note that I avoided the abortion issue because it never should have been linked with embryonic stem cell research. So long as fertility clinics are discarding fertilized eggs, then there is no harm. I am not going to debate the potential verse other lesser techniques because the overwhelming number of credible peer-reviewed scientific journals prove there is no equal in potential. By the way in every poll a majority of Americans supports this research. As for taxpayers feeling their money should not be used for a specific program for whatever reason, the US Supreme Court settled this issue long ago.

As for sex ed and condemns in schools, I never touched it because I do not care one way or the other it should be a 10th amendment issue, that is one left to the states. Which I would not care if the abortion issue was left there either, honestly I am indifferent on that one. Sometimes working with the public I feel the herd should be thinned, :lol: :lol: :lol: (that’s joke).

I do not fear a theocracy, I fear millions of drones not thinking and voting on a whim, whether it is the welfare slob voting democrat to get a check, or a person that actually thinks God turned Lot’s wife into a piller of salt then instructed him to have sex with his own daughter-and therefore follows the instruction from their pastor, rabbi, priest, without critical thinking. I AM NOT saying every church goer does that, but about a quarter seem to be, well clueless. I know, I attend Catholic services, believe it or not.

All that being said, I agree to disagree and be passionate about our respective issues. We agree more than we disagree, and I appreciate your opinion.
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I love a good honest and civil debate. this is what seperates us from other forums. Thanks http://www.Prussia.us!
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www.Prussia.us wrote:Amen, DA

However as a rightwing-secular conservative, I think we need to round up the religious-zealots in the GOP and the bleeding heart liberals of the DNC and send them to re-education camps, Stalin-styled re-education camps :lol:

Both have perverted what the Founding Fathers-(products of The Age of Enlightenment), began 232 years ago.
I think you have nothing to fear from the religious zealots for the simple fact that there are so many differing name-brands out there that a theocracy would be virtually impossible. Which church would lead? Catholic? Baptist? Methodist? Lutheran?

If I were you I would fear the liberals long before I would fear the religious folks. Just look at all the things you cant say anymore so as not to "offend" somebody. A quick glance at the speech codes on college campuses will confirm what I mean.
Bottom line is, its the libs that want to control your life from cradle to grave.
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I totally agree, Intruder196.
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I am totaly offended by the way you folks talk-there should be some sort of rule against it here! :lol: I enjoy seeing a discussion like this without things getting stupid.That may be the differance ,in here there is some actual though and reason behind the posts. ---bil
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www.Prussia.us wrote:DA,
Sometimes working with the public I feel the herd should be thinned, :lol: :lol: :lol: (that’s joke).

Prussia,
All is clear now. Within every extended posting here, there is always one crucial sentence that explains a man's attitude! :lol:

My wife, bless her beloved heart, works in the seafood department of a major grocery store here in central Arkansas. From the moment she walks in the house after coming home from work, she requires a full hour of decompression and honey therapy.

When you start thinning the herd, I'm sure she'd be first in line to help with the process. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Bil wrote:I am totaly ofended by the wey you folx tok-there should be some sort of rule against it hier! :lol: I enjoi seein a diskussen like this without tings getting stuppid.That may be the differance ,in here there is sum actual though and reeson behind the posts. ---bil

Bil--

It's not "thought and reason." It's our habit of spelling so badly. And it works so well that searing, red hot thought has plenty of time to cool to glowing embers -- which sometimes passes for thought and reason. Something about the translation.,,

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Wots rong wit yer spellin? Sum uv da foke hear kin tipe end thank boaf to wunce! :? Ef dats gud enuf fer da gummint,dat gunnuf fer we'uns! :shock: ---bil
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I blame mine on huffing too much paint, or maybe the edit button missing, either or :lol:
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Fun things like this need to be brought up again.... At this time of the year before we think about voting again....

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A lot of this looks like interesting reading....or would be if it wasn't in some color that required tipping the computer screen all over....yellow??? Green? why are you doing this guys? Have a heart for us old codgers who can't figure out how to change the color scheme....


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