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Government Health Care, here are some facts

Postby ChrisPCook » Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:51 pm

Guys, make sure you contact your congressmen and Senators, there are also online petitions against gov. control of health care. Here is an excerpt of an email I sent out awhile back....

THE SAME FOLKS (ON THE LEFT) WHO WERE OUTRAGED OVER MEDICAL CARE AT WALTER REED ARMY MEDICAL CENTER WOULD NOW LIKE TO HAVE THE ENTIRE US HEALTH CARE SYSTEM FALL UNDER GOVERNMENT CONTROL.

A MICROCOSM OF GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE CURRENTLY EXISTS IN THE US WITH THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION AND THE US MILITARY MEDICAL CARE SYSTEM/TRICARE-TRIWEST BEING THE PROVIDERS OF THIS CARE. THE CARE IS RATIONED, IN MANY CASES SUB -STANDARD AND TYPICAL OF GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRACY.

FOLLOWING ARE 10 FACTS ABOUT US HEALTH CARE, WRITTEN BY SCOTT ATLAS, MD , STANFORD. I'LL PROVIDE THE LINK IF ANY OF YOU CARE TO "TEST" THE FACTS OR SOURCE:
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba649



Fact No. 1: Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers.[1] Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States, and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the U.K. and 457 percent higher in Norway. The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher.
Fact No. 2: Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians.[2] Breast cancer mortality is 9 percent higher, prostate cancer is 184 percent higher and colon cancer mortality among men is about 10 percent higher than in the United States.
Fact No. 3: Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries.[3] Some 56 percent of Americans who could benefit are taking statins, which reduce cholesterol and protect against heart disease. By comparison, of those patients who could benefit from these drugs, only 36 percent of the Dutch, 29 percent of the Swiss, 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of Britons and 17 percent of Italians receive them.
Fact No. 4: Americans have better access to preventive cancer screening than Canadians.[4] Take the proportion of the appropriate-age population groups who have received recommended tests for breast, cervical, prostate and colon cancer:

* Nine of 10 middle-aged American women (89 percent) have had a mammogram, compared to less than three-fourths of Canadians (72 percent).
* Nearly all American women (96 percent) have had a pap smear, compared to less than 90 percent of Canadians.
* More than half of American men (54 percent) have had a PSA test, compared to less than 1 in 6 Canadians (16 percent).
* Nearly one-third of Americans (30 percent) have had a colonoscopy, compared with less than 1 in 20 Canadians (5 percent).

Fact No. 5: Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians. Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report "excellent" health compared to Canadian seniors (11.7 percent versus 5.8 percent). Conversely, white Canadian young adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower income Americans to describe their health as "fair or poor."[5]

Fact No. 6: Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the U.K. Canadian and British patients wait about twice as long - sometimes more than a year - to see a specialist, to have elective surgery like hip replacements or to get radiation treatment for cancer.[6] All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in Canada.[7] In England, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment.[8]
Fact No. 7: People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed. More than 70 percent of German, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and British adults say their health system needs either "fundamental change" or "complete rebuilding."[9]
Fact No. 8: Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians. When asked about their own health care instead of the "health care system," more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared to only 41.5 percent of Canadians; a lower proportion of Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent).[10]
Fact No. 9: Americans have much better access to important new technologies like medical imaging than patients in Canada or the U.K. Maligned as a waste by economists and policymakers naïve to actual medical practice, an overwhelming majority of leading American physicians identified computerized tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) as the most important medical innovations for improving patient care during the previous decade.[11] [See the table.] The United States has 34 CT scanners per million Americans, compared to 12 in Canada and eight in Britain. The United States has nearly 27 MRI machines per million compared to about 6 per million in Canada and Britain.[12]
Fact No. 10: Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations.[13] The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other single developed country.[14] Since the mid-1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to American residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined.[15] In only five of the past 34 years did a scientist living in America not win or share in the prize. Most important recent medical innovations were developed in the United States.[16] [See the table.]

Scott W. Atlas, M.D., is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and a professor at the Stanford University Medical Center. A version of this article appeared previously in the February 18, 2009, Washington Times.

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Re: Government Health Care, here are some facts

Postby drooling idiot » Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:12 pm

Homer Simpson wrote: Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything. 14% of people know that.

How about Fact 11, Its unethical to steal money from "Peter" (taxes) to give "Paul" health care coverage.
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Re: Government Health Care, here are some facts

Postby JBaum » Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:14 pm

This pretty well covers it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw

If the American Medical Association would get off their butts and fix this mess they've created, the government wouldn't want to "redistribute the wealth" (take my money to cover somebody else's butt).
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Re: Government Health Care, here are some facts

Postby Bil » Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:00 pm

There is a representative that has written a rider for the bill,requiring all government employees,including Congress,to use the same health care program that they vote in for us.Lots of luck on that one! ---bil
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Re: Government Health Care, here are some facts

Postby www.Prussia.us » Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:42 am

This is what happens because the chucklef*cks in Washington (mainly Clinton/Bush regimes) facilitated de-industrialization and outsourcing of good paying middle class jobs and the tax base, at a feverish pace, and with it-the destruction of the middle class.

The have-nots will now outnumber the haves, they will advocate for the health care they once had when their job was HERE in AMERICA.

If Republicans like Dr. Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan, or Democrats like Sen. Byron Dorgan were in charge of our trade policy pushing for fair and balanced trade, we would not even be in this mess.

Every time an American consumer decides to buy a product made in communist China or communist Vietnam, etc..chasing that cheaper price they are to blame.

I rarely agree with anything Teddy Kennedy’s dirty fingers touch, and NO, I do not support this bill, but I sure as heck do not buy the rubbish being shoveled down our throats by the lobbyists of big Pharma who spend far more on executive compensation and advertising annually than on R&D.

You are worried about “Washington bureaucrats” deciding your health care decisions?

Try dealing with an insurance company, my brother-in-law and sisiter-in-law are doctors, they have to constantly argue with insurance companies to get necessary tests done, and sometimes procedures, for their patients, and as far as my party (GOP) saying they do not want government to get between the patient and their doctor, that is fine then they should butt-out with issues like euthanasia and embryonic stem cells, lest they be hypocrites! :?
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Re: Government Health Care, here are some facts

Postby 42rocker » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:12 am

It's always good to bring up some old stuff and see if it's true, still true, or about to happen.... We ate currently using our tax dollars to bring this health care to the supreme court.

What you think like it or dislike it????????????

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